Thanks! I agree with you most people can do only one or the other. Really many more can it's just the lack of motivation to actually "learn". It's just like learning at school, or anywhere else you can learn from. Everything just takes time and patience. I do believe I sent you a BYOND page asking for some direction towards CSS, and best method of going about working on a CSS layout. I'm aware TOM says it is being remvoed to "benefit" BYOND, but in reality it will hurt it for us BYOND members it's what we looked for in being able to customize are web pages to portray who we are. My layout is temporary, till I can set up what I want.