Jaredoggy wrote:
The amount of drama that's been stirred up from Silk key banning a grand total of 7 people who threw out insults at either himself or his game is kind of hilarious.

You've missed the point entirely.

The problem is with the moderators removing Neblim's post -- it has nothing to do with Silk.

Our bans are fully supported by our ToS, and just to clarify something: Neblim has been on thin ice with us practically since the games release. Why should we have to, or want to keep around somebody so obviously unstable and irritating to deal with?

Irrelevant. You have every right to do whatever you'd like to do with your private property. Neblim has the right to inform and educate the populace about your property in a non libelous nor slanderous manner.

I mean, has anyone even seen his "SCREW YOU BYOND I QUIT!!!111" posts before? He pulls this crap regularly. But since the all-powerful SILKWIZARD is involved this time around, it's more of a bandwagon type of thing now.

Again, has nothing to do with Silk. Everything to do with BYOND moderation.

Plus we have the Master of all Dans lending his support, since he gets all hot and bothered at the thought of chiming in on any anti-Silkwizard post himself...for the last several years. Which is also kind of hilarious since I don't believe Silk ever even acknowledged his existence until this year.

Again, this has nothing to do with Silk. Not sure why you think this is about him.

EmpirezTeam wrote:

The burden of proof is on me?

Yes.

So, Neblim doesn't have to prove anything?

He did back up his claim.

EDIT - This is about the BYOND Admins removing his post. Not Silk.

Just to weigh in on what I've seen here, EmpirezTeam is right about Neblim's approach being the crucial difference between a post that needed to be hidden and a customer service complaint worth keeping up. He can say he feels he was cheated, he can say he believes he was lied to or misled about this and that, but he didn't stop there or keep it civil. I would have hidden that post if someone else didn't do so first. With respect, I think Magicbeast20 is wrong that the post was not insulting anyone; it definitely was.

That said, Magicbeast may be correct about Silkwizard having made posts just as bad. I don't know; I haven't seen them. If such posts were brought to my attention I would have hidden them. Moderators are imperfect. We can only act on what we see, and we don't see everything. Adding to that, if a post looks okay on its surface, an admin might not think to drill down into the contents.

I agree with Magicbeast's conclusion that fairness is paramount. The thing is, hiding Neblim's post was entirely fair. If Silkwizard had posts like it in the past that didn't get hidden, that was an error. I fully understand though why such errors would be perceived as bias. People can help with that by voting "Nay" on posts that don't belong on the front page; posts that are much more "nay" than "yea" do get flagged so moderators can take a look, which is often the case for spam.

But I still don't understand how this has escalated beyond the context of a simple disagreement between Neblim and Silkwizard. People who weren't involved have become passionately outspoken. What is gained by all the shouting?

The reason people are speaking out, Lummox, is because they don't believe it's fair. It's that simple.

EmpirezTeam wrote:
It was slander. Nothing in Neblim's post was fact except for the fact that he was banned from the game.

Please point out where slander occurred.

His proof for Silk being a liar? The fact that he assumes he was banned over the assumed fact that Silk holds grudges.

You are misapplying the criteria again. Reread the reference.

His proof that Silk is a thief? The fact that he assumes he was robbed, when he wasn't robbed and agreed to the ToS, giving Silk full permission to do what he did.

Neblim posted what amounts to a consumer warning about an arbitrary application of a ToS. He is doing the populace a service by pointing out the difference between generally accepted practices in commerce and his experience in this specific transaction.

Nice proof.

Indeed it was.

@ Lummox Jr:

"No, I will not vote for Sonder's #@!#% Wedding." - Silkwizard
http://www.byond.com/members/ SilkWizard?command=view_post&post=96503#comments

He said it was not directed at Sonder, but obviously was considering title and continue rant in the post.

"Anyone who defends Jay Leno is either stupid, or..." - Silkwizard
http://www.byond.com/members/ SilkWizard?command=view_post&post=90323#comments

Every person who likes Jay Leno must automatically be stupid.


I'm sure there are more, but I think there is a more important topic at hand here.

Jaredoggy wrote:
BYOND Moderators have been hiding posts like these for the last 5 years with little complaint. You're deluding yourself if you don't believe it has everything to do with community outrage at perceived favoritism directed at Silk.

Please find one post where this is true. I guarantee you that there are exactly zero.

Again, take your Silk painted glasses off... Name a single post in the last five years where an arbitrary application of a ToS term was used to ban a paying member.

Which, by the way is false. He's gotten posts hidden before as well. You just don't hear complaints about it, because it's a fair decision for BYOND mods to dictate the content they want shown on the front page of their site.

We all have had posts hidden.

But the dripping irony of this specific case is that Neblim talked about being banned for an arbitrary term, and then his post is front page suppressed for another arbitrary term... kind of a weird poetry.

Lummox JR wrote:
Yes, but on what grounds? The post was clearly an attack.

An attack on what?

Maybe it was warranted and maybe it wasn't, but the attack part didn't belong on the front page. And as I said, if Silk has gotten away with similar attacks in the past, that's a mistake--which people could contribute to correcting by flagging any posts of that nature that appeared in the future.

Think about what you just wrote, Lummox. Restate it carefully.

It's not an attack cause he was talking about Silk Wizard ain't that clear yet?

Magicbeast20 wrote:

EmpirezTeam wrote:

See, your problem is you keep assuming things, Booty. You assumed BYOND removed the post for some random assumed reason you came up with.

As do you, EmpirezTeam. You assume Booty is just making it up as he goes.

You assumed Silk banned Neblim for some assumed reason Neblim came up with.

You assume he did not.

The moment you stop assuming things is the moment you get a little smarter.

Likewise.

I'm not assuming, I'm refusing to believe it until you provide proof.

How can you prove the motive behind Silk's ban? Could it have been a grudge? Yes. Could it have been because Neblim said something to annoy Silk? Yes.

But how do we know? There is no proof. I'm only arguing against Neblim because his post was hypocritical and full of unnecessary inflammatory comments that don't need to be in a "customer service complaint".

You all have yet to prove the motive behind Silk's ban. All you're doing is going by Neblim's word. Neblim could be lying to us all. He could've sent Silk Wizard a pager cursing him out. We don't know. All we know is Neblim claims "it was for no reason" and then backs his claim up with assumptions that haven't been proven factual.