Lummox JR wrote:
Reading the post (this is the first I've seen it) it's quite clear to me he was in fact ranting about the contest thing, not about Sonder, and Sonder's post was merely what triggered him to get on his rant. That's borderline, I think. I'll grant that maybe it should have been hidden. That post actually was hidden from the front page. | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
Magicbeast20 wrote: Thus you assume Neblim is a liar and provided no proof. How can you prove the motive behind Silk's ban? Could it have been a grudge? Yes. Could it have been because Neblim said something to annoy Silk? Yes. How are you going to prove the motive against Neblim being banned? But how do we know? There is no proof. I'm only arguing against Neblim because his post was hypocritical and full of unnecessary inflammatory comments that don't need to be in a "customer service complaint". His post, again, in no way was hypritical and/or inflammatory. He backed up his claim Silk made multiple bans for no reason and linked how silk was a liar. Then warned the readers of the stuff Silk will do. | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
Booty, please point out to me how Silk lied. Though you are technically right, SilkWizard has not lied. He has however heavily implied things and said he would not act in a certain way. He has then acted in exactly this way SilkWizard explicityly said he does not hate anyone, and that he does not care about what people think or say. He also said everyone is welcome to play NEStalgia. Despite this, he actually went to the effort of banning me from NEStalgia. I have played it once for a few hours. I did not break any ingame rules, nor cause any issues. I was banned clearly because of an out of game issue. SilkWizard probably does hate or at least dislike me, he did care about what I said, and I am not welcome to play NEStalgia. This is clearly implied when he actually took time out of his own day to go and ban me from a game I do not and have not played for a very long time. Booty, please prove Neblim was banned because Silk holds grudges, and explain why it couldn't have been ANYTHING else. It is hard to judge this. Just as Booty cannot prove whether SilkWizard holds grudges or not, you also cannot disprove that he does or not. Evidence also suggests that he does indeed hold grudges. I would say him going to the effort to ban people from his game which is totally unrelated to the current issue is holding a grudge. | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
I'm not assuming, I'm refusing to believe it until you provide proof. I will try to interpret what you are saying here... So if you were moderator, you would front page ban anything post that did not provide irrefutable proof of all of its claims. Is this a safe assumption? How can you prove the motive behind Silk's ban? Could it have been a grudge? Yes. Could it have been because Neblim said something to annoy Silk? Yes. Not sure why this is relevant... let alone relevant for a front page ban. But how do we know? There is no proof. I'm only arguing against Neblim because his post was hypocritical and full of unnecessary inflammatory comments that don't need to be in a "customer service complaint". Please provide where Neblim was hypocritical... is it safe to assume if you were a moderator that you would front page ban any hypocrisy? And to remind you, the comments are irrelevant. | |
"So should I assume that you aren't going to accept the burden of proof on this thread?"
You should assume that you won't get any smarter until you stop believing every assumption Neblim creates. Its not my burden to prove what Neblim said isn't true. Neblim hasn't proved what he said was true himself. | |
The Magic Man wrote:
It is hard to judge this. Just as Booty cannot prove whether SilkWizard holds grudges or not, you also cannot disprove that he does or not. Just for the record, I don't think Neblim has claimed anything about grudges... perhaps in the comments, but not in the post. Evidence also suggests that he does indeed hold grudges. | |
Your being an idiot Empirez, people have provided to you adequate evidence and counter-points to all of your arguments and you have completely ignored them. Stop sucking up to Silkwizard and come back to thre realm of reality. You are acting like a fool.
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i would also like to complain about a friend of mine getting banned from byond, baird
he wants to work on his game, and when he asked the byond staff on the support thing they responded unmattered, unkind, rude, it needs alot of patching up to do | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
"So should I assume that you aren't going to accept the burden of proof on this thread?" He advertised for Silk and BYOND. He was banned, for no reason to him, from Silks game which he paid a subscription for. Neblim was banned from NEStalgia. Neblim made a post about being banned and warned fellow players. Neblims post was removed; thus this whole argument(which you keep trying to derail). What more proof do you need? | |
Lummox JR wrote:
That's just a generic rant and I see nothing wrong with it. I've made similar rants, particularly regarding the whole toilet paper over/under thing. That's totally different from a personal attack. I am pretty sure at least one of my posts, if not more have been removed from the front page for similar reasons to this. They were generic rants about stuff, not aimed at any specific person or even group of people. Admittedly, my post was a bit stronger worded than his (but nothing worse than calling people stupid). | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
You should assume that you won't get any smarter until you stop believing every assumption Neblim creates. Its not my burden to prove what Neblim said isn't true. Neblim hasn't proved what he said was true himself. The reason the burden of proof is on you is that you would support a front page ban of the post without the open discussion of bullet items within his post. Without that proof, the post should have been public for the sheer purpose of poking holes in his arguments and offering alternatives to his conclusions. | |
The Magic Man wrote:
Lummox JR wrote: Your point is irrelevant, because Silks post in question was hidden from the front page itself. | |
"people have provided to you adequate evidence"
You haven't given me proof. You gave me a post where Silk said he wasn't going to have anyone banned from NEStalgia before it released, and said he doesn't hold grudges. Your "proof" is an inflammatory blog post by Neblim and the assumptions it consists of. Neblim could've been banned for a grudge, OR he could've been banned for another reason. We aren't there to see EVERYTHING that goes on between Neblim and the Silk Games staff, therefore Neblim could be lying to our faces about "doing nothing to get banned". Explain to me how its proof again? | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
"Please provide where Neblim was hypocritical... is it safe to assume if you were a moderator that you would front page ban any hypocrisy? Is that an assumption? | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
It was hypocritical because he tried to justify his insults with the phrase "customer service complaint". Then he says hes just trying to look out for the people because he doesn't want people to get ripped off. This doesn't ring hypocritical to me. He had a substantive complaint as a consumer. The day he made the post isn't the day he saw the ToS. Therefore, he wasn't truly concerned about warning people, otherwise he would've done it a long time ago. Again, most consumers don't operate in this manner. There's a nice book you should pick up if you have the time: The Speed of Trust: The One Thing That Changes Everything by Stephen Covey. One of the important concepts involve how the implicit trust between coworkers or trading partners increases productivity and equity. His post obviously has another motive behind it. Probably just to make a public insult towards Silk to ruin his reputation perhaps? You could ask Neblim specifically as to his motivation. And it would be up to you whether you "trust" his explanation. Had his post been suppressed before you had a chance to make a comment, you would never have had the chance to ask... | |
"Again, most consumers don't operate in this manner."
You're not getting it. You can't say you care about someone if you waited months to warn them of a potential danger when you could've done it a long time ago. | |
The point is that most ToS have a clause like that, and they're almost never acted upon. While the clause was there, no one expected something to happen for literally no reason, as the clause was. So what went from "hmm, we'll ignore that for now" to "oh shit, I actually got banned for no reason," it was time to warn people.
That said, you don't know at what point Neblim learned about that clause. As I recall, and may be wrong, it wasn't in the original post, but left by a commenter. I may be confusing this with SAx's post now, though. | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
"Again, most consumers don't operate in this manner." You can lodge a public complaint about poor service at any time, it doesnt matter what YOU think his motives are, he is obviously upset that he was banned with no explanation after putting significant time, effort and money into Nestalgia. Why you continue to try and tell all of us that he has no right to complain, when clearly nobody agrees with you, is beyond me. | |
Jaredoggy wrote:
Lummox JR wrote: Aha, so it is. I never even noticed. Interestingly, the post was hidden by the same moderator who also originally hid Neblim's post. Doesn't that undercut the whole point about unfairness? I can respect that some people don't read any attack into Neblim's post. I did; I think it was definitely one. Opinions are very split, but I think it can be agreed that it was near the borderline in any case. So it's perfectly understandable that even if someone doesn't feel Neblim crossed that line, others may disagree. | |
Reading the post (this is the first I've seen it) it's quite clear to me he was in fact ranting about the contest thing, not about Sonder, and Sonder's post was merely what triggered him to get on his rant. That's borderline, I think. I'll grant that maybe it should have been hidden.
That's just a generic rant and I see nothing wrong with it. I've made similar rants, particularly regarding the whole toilet paper over/under thing. That's totally different from a personal attack.
In both of these cases you're stretching the post to try to put it on par with Neblim's much clearer violation. I'm not saying Silk has never said anything along those lines, because to be honest I know he can be pretty bristly; but when I see something like that I hide it. So if those kinds of posts do come up again, then I'm all for dealing with them. If he wants to go off on a rant about how X and a bunch of griefers are ruining his game, I have no problem hiding that. But if someone wants to say Jersey Shore is the best TV series ever and that everyone who disagrees is a moron, I'm leaving that alone. The contest thing is a gray area; if another moderator hid that post I wouldn't question it, but I probably wouldn't have done so myself.