...Middle Eastern Jews! This is because Middle Eastern Jews are not "religious enough", because they have things like TV's. Nope, this isn't a joke, this Jew vs Jew racism is based because Middle Eastern Jews have TV's.
Oh, and its not even in Israel, its smack in the middle of a settlement in the West Bank, with a notable Palestinian/Arab population. The Israeli Government is cracking down on these people though, which I suppose is something.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/10338900.stm
Page last updated at 11:03 GMT, Thursday, 17 June 2010 12:03 UK
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Thousands of Israeli police have been deployed in Jerusalem ahead of planned protests by ultra-Orthodox Jews who are angry about a school segregation row.
Some 80 Ashkenazi parents face jail for defying a court ruling that forces them to send their daughters to school with Sephardi girls of Middle East origin.
The Ashkenazi parents, who are of European descent, want segregated classrooms because they say Sephardi families are not religious enough.
Two mass rallies are planned for today....
...They have pulled their children out of Beit Yaakov girls' school in the West Bank settlement of Immanuel, and set up lessons elsewhere in the settlement...
...Yakov Litzman, an MP from the ultra-Orthodox Ashkenazi party, United Torah Judaism (UTJ) told army radio there was "not a drop of racism" in the parents' decision.
"There is a set of rules (in the ultra-Orthodox community). We don't want televisions in the home, there are rules of modesty, we are against the internet," Mr Litzman was quoted as saying by AFP news agency.
"I don't want my daughter to be educated with a girl who has a TV at home."
The court had given the parents until Wednesday to send their children back to school. They refused.
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You can see the position of the settlement here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_%28town%29
Jun 17 2010, 6:03 am
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The Amish in the U.S. are allowed this kind of thing. What's the big deal?
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Well they have the nerve to live in a colony of another nations territory for a start and don't want to associate with other people.
I assume under Israeli law parents don't have the right to exclude their children from schools in manners such as this, it is obviously a form of racism that they don't want to associate with people because they have TV's and internet. I doubt the school forces these children to physically go to these high-tech children's houses and watch tv against their will, so for the purposes of education their request for segregation is based on prejudice rather than religion. | |
Antisemetic BYONDer is antisemetic.
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Acebloke wrote:
Well they have the nerve to live in a colony of another nations territory for a start and don't want to associate with other people. Thanks for turning this in to yet another Jew bashing festival. | |
"Thanks for turning this in to yet another Jew bashing festival."
"Antisemetic BYONDer is antisemetic." Sorry what? what have I said was even remotely anti-Semitic? How can any country seriously take the 2 state solution seriously when one of those states are still happily emigrating people into the other? The fact they are Jewish, religiously or ethnicly has nothing to do with it, but thanks you two for turning this into cry wolf situation. Seriously guys, don't. My post was about how one type were intolerant of the other, simply because of technological differences, but no, you had to turn it into something stupid. | |
I don't see how its racism. o.O
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"I don't see how its racism. o.O"
The European Jewish grouping decided they didn't want to have their children mixing with Middle Eastern Jews because Middle Eastern Jews "Have Tv's and Internet". They used a racial demographic. Unless your talking about the other guys, then thanks for the support :p | |
Acebloke wrote:
"Thanks for turning this in to yet another Jew bashing festival." Allow me to make my case. Well they have the nerve to live in a colony of another nations territory for a start and don't want to associate with other people. There are only two logical ways to interpret this. The first is my Amish point earlier, but given that you are responding to this, the only way you can take this is as the whole "Israel is living on Palestinian land" thing. Let's completely ignore the fact that if you look back enough, it's really Israel living on land that the Palestinians lived on after moving in on land that the Israelis lived on in the first place. Let's ignore that and think about all the instances in history you could complain about: The U.S. treatment of natives. The Australian treatment of natives. The U.K. treatment of the Irish, Russian colonization of Kaliningrad, the occupation of Tibet and Xianjaing by China. Sudanese repression of Darfur, or the refusal to grant independence to Somaliland. Or Turkey's occupation of Northern Cyprus, or Iran, Turkey, and Iraq's suppression of the Kurds. No, let's focus only on Israel and Palestine and effectively ignore everything else. | |
Thats what I meant. They said they didn't want them near Middle Eastern Jews because they had TVs and internet. Its not racism though.
Racism is like: You can't drink from this fountain. Why? Because you're black. This situation is like: You can't drink from this fountain. Why? Because you do things our school deems immoral. Only way it could be racism is for examples to be shown that they allowed their children to go to school with non-Middle Eastern Jews that had TVs and Internet. Then it can be confirmed that this has nothing to do with TVs and internet and is pure hatred and racism. There could be proof of this but I don't read up on enough Middle Eastern news to know. | |
lol religion
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Lmfao.. I would call it prejudice. Unless..they actually associate the TV-use, with race. Then Ill be dumbfounded.
Eh, I do not see any good in keeping people ignorant. They might as well let the kids watch TV, use internet, etc. If they actually teach them, instead of saying "This is because it is", then maybe they wouldnt have to worry? I watched R-rated movies at 7, etc. I turned out fine. Hell, I have better morals than most. Haha, sad sad ignorance. | |
It's not anti semetic to be anti Israel.
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EmpirezTeam wrote:
[Racism is like: ...] I'm not sure why this needs explaining. Your counter-example deals with a single person. The prejudice talked about here is that they claim -most all- middle eastern Jews are not religious enough, because they are from the middle east. If someone goes around and gathers statistical evidence that middle eastern Jews communities practice irreligious acts significantly more often than other s, they would have some backing to their claim (although to be unprejudiced, they would still have to rephrase it around statistical samples, as opposed to geographical origins). However, if you ask me, the TV and internet fad looks to be just a poorly-planned attempt to rationalise their stance, which is almost surely a racist one, to the court. | |
"I would call it prejudice. Unless..they actually associate the TV-use, with race."
Well perhaps I'm just dumb but the BBC, and every other news source I've read on this topic was labelling it as a racial thing, because they presumed that all Middle Eastern Jews have TV's and Internet, without actually going to the trouble of asking them whether they do or not, ie, an assumption based on race. Its like a White Parent saying they don't want their children in the same school as Black people because "Black People take drugs and steal things". "Let's ignore that and think about all the instances in history you could complain about" Funny enough I have done some of those topics before, its just they don't get comments. I believe I did one huge post on Arab countries, forget how far back it was though. Even the US (and every other country in the world, btw) consider Israeli settlements in the Gaza Strip (now removed) and the West Bank as Illegal and should be removed, but this isn't considered anti-Semitic (and shouldn't either). Israel should either just say its Annexing the entire territory and say no Palestinian State will exist, have a war over it and get it done with, or it actually makes a serious commitment to the 2 State solution (or whatever they feel is a worthwhile counterproposal). | |
Acebloke wrote:
"I would call it prejudice. Unless..they actually associate the TV-use, with race." I'm with you on that. The west bank Palestinians are still technically Jordanians. They have a perfectly good country they can return to. Why not just deal with the situation now and not have to worry about it for the next 500 years. | |
Toadfish wrote:
EmpirezTeam wrote: It seems like all you've got is an opinion. You want this to be a racial issue. People in the Middle East are always speaking out against other people due to their religious beliefs but now suddenly its not a religious issue? Where are you getting this from? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H8HFb-YG00 Just an example. He believes the followers of Judaism are "enemies of Allah". This has been going on for a while. Orthodox Jews haven't just started practicing not watching TV or not using the internet, but you seem to think you can persuade me that this is just something they whipped out of their butts at the last minute as an "excuse". This isn't racism, this is religious non-sense. You can prove me wrong by keeping your opinions to yourself and showing me the proof I asked for: examples of European Jews allowing their children to go to school with other non-Middle Eastern children that had internet and television access. Not sure why this had to be explained a second time. | |
We have those in the state. They're called the Amish. It's not racism, because racism is a prejudice based on a person's race. Belief =/= Race. It may be prejudice, but it's certainly not racist.
If they aren't hurting anyone I don't see the issue. I find it weird that the children are forced to go to a school. In the States parents have the right to send their child to another school, or teach at home. A bunch of Baptist families I know chose the latter method. While their children only learn the ignorance their parents and peers teach them, they're no threat. | |
EmpirezTeam wrote:
I like telling other people what they want. You are educated stupid and can't compute my time cube. Go re-read the article, for God's sake, and leave me alone until you can comprehend what I said. Why are you basing your entire reply on the last sentence? It was unrelated to the rest of my reply, and was my opinion alone. What's more this was completely obvious: I began the sentence with 'However, if you ask me'. Pricks like you make the internet a difficult place. | |
Toadfish wrote:
EmpirezTeam wrote: Thanks for proving you had no idea what you were talking about. When you said "almost surely", I was expecting some sort of "backing to your claim" but I guess there is none. Religious issue. GG. | |