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You may notice your servers have been (and currently are) down for some time today. This is due to our provider who, while generally good and pretty inexpensive, are truly a bunch of money grubbing jerks. Let me explain a bit:

The way invoicing works at our provider is that if a server is due on some day, you can pay up to five days late without service disruption. This really helps because one stupid thing the provider does is group multiple servers into the same invoice- this means that if two servers are due on the same day, and one person pays but the other doesn't, I can't pay for just the one for which I received money! Having a little bit of extra time is really helpful.

So what if you don't pay by that fifth day? Well then, as expected, they terminate your server. Makes sense, right? Don't pay, server gets turn off. All well and good.

But they take it a step further. Their rule is that if the server runs for 3 days past the due date, they charge you for the next month! So even if a server gets shut off because it wasn't paid for, they still send me an invoice!

So since February I've been ignoring three invoices that were for cancelled servers. The invoice balance was for a period of time the server was not online (as it was shut down for nonpayment). I figured they were just errors or somesuch and never paid them.

Recently, I got an e-mail asking me why I haven't paid these "overdue" invoices. I explained they were for canceled servers, at which point the provider said that once a server is 3 days into a new term, it must be paid for. They told me new servers wouldn't be activated until the old invoices were paid, which I didn't really care about at the time. I told them I would not be paying old invoices for which I did not receive service.



Today, every single server ATP Host provides was shut down. Every single one. Because I owed them $23. They shut down all twenty four of our servers over $23. Twenty three dollars. Of course, I pay through Paypal which doesn't provide any buyer protection for services (only products), so getting refunds was out of the question.


So fifteen minutes ago I ate the cost and paid these [expletive deleted] their $23 out of my pocket. Servers are still offline as of this post. At this point, I'm $23 in the red and giving money to a company that seriously screwed me over. I'm not sure at this point if ATP Host will continue after this month. If you have paid in advance, you will receive a refund.


Donations are appreciated. Sorry for the trouble.

[Edit]
Forty-five minutes after payment, all servers are back online. Again, I'm not sure what will happen after this month, I will likely stop running ATP Host.

D4RK3 54B3R is the coolest guy around, he paid the entire debt. Everyone should thank him immensely.
THOSE FUCKING CUNT BAGS, LETS ALL NAY AND AIRJOE LETS GET OUR PITCHFORKS AND KILL THE HOST PROVIDERS THEN THEY WILL LEARN A LESSON
Can't you just find a different company? Or ask customers for thier payments a few days in advanced so you know if you need to cancel?
It will be practically impossible to find a company who provides the specs we offer at the same (or even close) prices. For what it's worth, Slicehost charges $70 a month for something not as good as our $6.50 package.
Airjoe wrote:
It will be practically impossible to find a company who provides the specs we offer at the same (or even close) prices. For what it's worth, Slicehost charges $70 a month for something not as good as our $6.50 package.

Hey wait I found really cheap shells much cheapter then what you offer now http://www.webkeepers.com/vps/index.html 8GB For less then 60 bucks thats awesome
Bam Shazzam Alakazam.
BS. ATP may go down right around the time I was going to use it.
Dude, you cannot stop ATP, it's a god-send to BYOND, i'm sure that if you spoke to Dan and Tom they would at least offer some form of help as this is pretty much the -only- decent hosting type for BYOND!! >.<

Or maybe this could become a part of BYOND? Up the prices slightly so there is slight profit for BYOND, would give them a reason to help you out right? =[
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Effectively I don't want to deal with a company who shuts down every single server because of $23 and an overdue invoice, but it's up to all of you, really.
Airjoe wrote:
Effectively I don't want to deal with a company who shuts down every single server because of $23 and an overdue invoice, but it's up to all of you, really.

And that's why I never made the switch to ATP host. If I had, I'd be royally boned relatively shortly. ;)

Smartassery aside, it is a shame that the company you're working with operates that way. And if all this had gone down on the 16th, I'd have donated.

If you do decide to keep ATP host going, which I honestly believe is a valuable service you're offering, I'll see if I can start making the occasional donation to kill incidents like this before they happen. If you're even in desperate need, hit me up and I'll see what I can do, preferably on a Wednesday. Payday is the best day to ask for money, as I'm euphoric about being paid. ;)

Incidentally, you could increase the costs for all servers by one dollar and use those proceeds to cover yourself on the event that something like this may happen again. I doubt anyone will complain about a single dollar, especially if it's for keeping the stability of their server in check.
Ryuk25 wrote:
http://www.webkeepers.com/vps/index.html 8GB For less then 60 bucks

If you carefully read their offer, that is 8 GB burstable RAM and 4 GB guaranteed. Or, in other words, you get 4 GB RAM (and 5 TB transfer), with the option to occasionally use more when in desperate need. That is only taking a short glance on the offer and not looking for other relevant data (carriers/peers/location/CPU/disc IO/unix benchmark/AUP/etc.)


Tiberath wrote:
If I had, I'd be royally boned relatively shortly. ;)

Not at all. The underlying company would still offer to continue your service, just without the additional features ATP offers (the hosting panel and helping on BYOND specific issues). As the experienced user that you are, you could still manage your way. And the risk for a complete data-centre to close down is rather small *winks and teases*


Airjoe wrote:
Effectively I don't want to deal with a company who (...)

I'm sorry that they treat you this way. Customer support and dealing with clients aren't really their strong side, which directly relates to the price though. Have you tried directly contacting their community manager on the forum I linked you a while back?
He is rather nice and level headed, so you could try to find a better solution. Maybe even move several clients to the same physical node to avoid performance drawbacks through malicious users.

All in all, I'd go with the other people around here and increase the price to it's old values, then keep the leftover for case of emergency.
Overall, poor AirJoe deals with whorish money-grabbing pseudo-jews >=[ (Pseudo was added in an attempt to avoid insulting any jews xD)