Reading a few comments regarding BYOND's new "Share with Facebook" feature, I'm pretty appalled by some of the negative reaction. Apparently, the thought that one of their posts might be tagged to be presented to some social network is somehow overbearingly offensive.
Here's something to consider... BYOND, and more specifically Tom, survives on membership money and advertising revenue. As in with most web based businesses, advertising rates have dropped significantly. He has been working on some of the core functionality of the BYOND website for years now to help find ways to increase viewership and indirectly maintain advertising revenue.
If you honestly feel that the burden of the _potential_ of your posts being cross referenced by a social networking site outweighs the functional need of BYOND to increase its viewership, then it probably is no burden to you to not appear on the front page.
I will push Tom very hard to enforce a front page ban on anyone who disables "Share with Facebook" on their page. This community needs to grow -- if you don't want that, then BYOND can't and shouldn't condone your wishes.
Mar 23 2010, 11:46 pm
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Ganing
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The only thing I can think right now is that you are an idiot.
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Are you fucking kidding me? So now our customizable sites that we payed for now come with a second price if we adjust it to our likings? Big deal, people didn't get front page banned for removing Yea/Nay, why the hell should it apply to the Share on Facebook? What if they don't want their posts spread through Facebook and want it kept on BYOND? The terms & conditions state that you can customize your site as long as it doesn't contain inappropriate material or you break one of the listed rules. I don't see "disabling Share on Facebook" in that list.
Shenanigans, sir. Simply shenanigans. | |
Shadow Serpent wrote:
Are you fucking kidding me? So now our customizable sites that we payed for now come with a second price if we adjust it to our likings? If your likings is purposefully against increasing viewership, then why would you be offended if you never appear on the front page? Big deal, people didn't get front page banned for removing Yea/Nay, why the hell should it apply to the Share on Facebook? Yea/Nay has nothing to do with increasing viewership on BYOND. What if they don't want their posts spread through Facebook and want it kept on BYOND? Nothing prevents the link on their site being listed on Facebook in the first place. There is nothing a paying or non-paying user can do about it. The overt act of disabling the button itself is a vote against increasing viewership on BYOND. The terms & conditions state that you can customize your site as long as it doesn't contain inappropriate material or you break one of the listed rules. I don't see "disabling Share on Facebook" in that list. Try again: "However, in cases where the BYOND staff determines that images or content on a BYOND Member site are detrimental to the interests of BYOND." Disabling Share with Facebook is detrimental to the interests of BYOND. Shenanigans, sir. Simply shenanigans. You'll have to better than that. | |
Just throwing this out there but what if I have a Myspace instead of a Facebook? I should be front page banned because I don't own a Facebook? It sounds like your an asshole trying to put down assholes, and it simply is not working.
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Ganing wrote:
Just throwing this out there but what if I have a Myspace instead of a Facebook? I should be front page banned because I don't own a Facebook? It sounds like your an asshole trying to put down assholes, and it simply is not working. It's not the point, Ganing. Read what I wrote. It has nothing to do with Facebook specifically. And it has nothing to do if the author has a Facebook account. It has everything to do with revenues for Tom and BYOND. If you think I'm being an asshole because of that, well, I guess that's too bad. | |
I don't really understand, why would you disable the share link? It does you no harm and your don't need an account for someone else to share your link. The link is put on their wall on facebook, there's no obvious association with you personally if you're not the one sharing the link.
I see that "I don't like facebook" has come up as a reason. To which I'd have to say "okay fine" but you aren't "advertising it" by having a link in the slug-line of a blog post. People don't just see that little link and go "Daaamn Bootyboy likes facebook and he's a cool guy, I'm going to start using it too!". It's one thing to be of strong principle, but raging against a social media website with all of your technical capability and to the extent of hiding any links you could possibly hide to it is pretty much anally retentive. I'm a guy who's genuinely embarrassed by the site as far as the look and feel is, so that means I probably won't be sharing blog posts with facebook. If you feel like sharing any I make though, why should I stop that? | |
Obscure post is reprehensible.
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Im disabling it now.
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Ganing wrote:
Just throwing this out there but what if I have a Myspace instead of a Facebook? I should be front page banned because I don't own a Facebook? It sounds like your an asshole trying to put down assholes, and it simply is not working. At least read his post. | |
You're full of shit, sir. .
This is not only stupid, but pointless. This is a new feature which can be disabled if a client wants to. Which if they want to, they can. | |
Shadow Void wrote:
You're full of shit, sir. . This is not only stupid, but pointless. And if they do, they should be front page banned as it would be clear that they don't care. | |
Shadow Void wrote:
You're full of shit, sir. . I can walk around punching people in the face if I want to as well. | |
I'm fairly sure Tom would not 'front page' ban those who refuse to enable "Share with Facebook" as that person would, most likely, not rebuy a BYOND membership. If Tom survives on membership money, it wouldn't make sense to do such an action, now would it?
I do not use facebook and I am not sure how it works. But, if someone was in dire need to display my post on their site so much, they can easily copy and paste it. But if the rule were to comes into play, why don't we ban those who refuse to buy a membership after they've been apart of the community for a year or so? Tom lives on memberships, so those people are just extra baggage. | |
Calus CoRPS wrote:
I do not use facebook and I am not sure how it works. But, if someone was in dire need to display my post on their site so much, they can easily copy and paste it. That's the point, they aren't in dire need, hence the share link makes it more convenient and an impulsive action that benefits both you (you get more readers and had to do nothing for it) and BYOND (similar reasons). What's the arguments against having the share link on your page? I'm struggling to come up with any that really counter the benefit I just described. | |
Personally I can understand, and agree with points made by Stephen001, Calus CoRPS, and Bootyboy.
But I feel that Tom should not worry about the blogs being potentially shared through facebook. As stated they can just copy and paste the url on their wall(I think that's what facebook refers to it as). The main form of "Advertising" at any rate would be hub pages, and not member pages. Those would, if any, bring in more playerbase to BYOND. If any rate, I am disabling mine. And I can honestly say that if that alone will tick Tom off to the point where I get frontpage banned. Then I would hate to see his reaction if by doing this people(including myself) would stop getting memberships. Because worrying more about the member blogs, rather then making attention grabbing games and sharing the hubs is just silly in my opinion. | |
Rhenishan wrote:
Because worrying more about the member blogs, rather then making attention grabbing games and sharing the hubs is just silly in my opinion. Not at all, it's social advertising and a good form of personal selling. Hubs are actually not very good shop windows for games, in no small part because people don't write their descriptions to sell the game. On the other hand, a blog post discussing an update or review of NEStaglia is much less overtly selling, hooks the viewer on a good read and if they like what they see, will follow through to hubs with a much better success rate than a straight-up hub link. On another note, why are you disabling your link? | |
Rhenishan wrote:
But I feel that Tom should not worry about the blogs being potentially shared through facebook. As stated they can just copy and paste the url on their wall(I think that's what facebook refers to it as). And this is an easier means for a third party to share such posts through Facebook. The main form of "Advertising" at any rate would be hub pages, and not member pages. Those would, if any, bring in more playerbase to BYOND. Correct. But the end goal is to drive more traffic to BYOND. The natural reason of this kind of indirect promotion is _because_ something on BYOND was intriguing enough to share. It's a method of promotion. If any rate, I am disabling mine. And by doing so, by extension, you do not require that any of your posts be actively promoted by any vehicle. And I can honestly say that if that alone will tick Tom off to the point where I get frontpage banned. Then I would hate to see his reaction if by doing this people(including myself) would stop getting memberships. If you are so offended to be banned from the front page because you overtly and maliciously wish to impede the increase in BYOND traffic, then don't renew your membership. Seriously, if you're not going to renew a membership because of something as innocuous as that, I can hardly understand any reason why you bought a membership in the first place. | |
I have disabled my "Share on Facebook" for one simple reason:
Drama. The stuff that happens around BYOND is sometimes appalling, and I don't want to be linked for something. If it were more of only the Author, of the content on BYOND, had the powers to link to Facebook then I'd me more than happy to put my "Share on Facebook" link back. Either that or only those I chose that have joined my site to have the power to share it on Facebook. Spreading the word of and about BYOND is indeed a great way to attract more members, but if they were to see someone posted on the BYOND's Facebook containing a blog post that doesn't appear to be friendly, it might turn them right around because doesn't it also get displayed on BYOND's Facebook as well as your own? | |
I some what agree, disabling this feature would be stopping potential advertising for BYOND, I don't understand what the problem is about having the share on Facebook link anyway, surly it can only benefit us all as a community in terms of more funding leading to more updates and a larger community...
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