Disable "Share with Facebook?" = Front Page Ban

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Mar 24 2010, 4:25 am
Blog posts are just as important as game hubs. Their quantity might even make them more so. There are rants people might find interesting, developer journals, player-created events and oh, I don't know, a column that's starting its fourth frelling year.

Meanwhile, the front page is not a member benefit. People are expected to subscribe to those they wish to follow. The terms of service state that the privilege of being displayed can be taken away if your site is determined to be detrimental to the interests of BYOND.

Instead, the front page is an advertisement aimed at everyone else. It's the text equivalent of YouTube's featured videos. Those not willing to let the public see their posts don't understand the point.


...Do I think these bans would actually happen? No. I just think many of the complaints come from self-entitled brats with little idea of how social networks operate.
Mar 24 2010, 4:25 am
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
I have disabled my "Share on Facebook" for one simple reason:

Drama.
The stuff that happens around BYOND is sometimes appalling, and I don't want to be linked for something. If it were more of only the Author, of the content on BYOND, had the powers to link to Facebook then I'd me more than happy to put my "Share on Facebook" link back.
Either that or only those I chose that have joined my site to have the power to share it on Facebook.

Spreading the word of and about BYOND is indeed a great way to attract more members, but if they were to see someone posted on the BYOND's Facebook containing a blog post that doesn't appear to be friendly, it might turn them right around because doesn't it also get displayed on BYOND's Facebook as well as your own?

The former is only an issue if you personally identify yourself, actively take part in that drama and also fail to moderate your own blog and comments. BYOND and your common sense has provided you more than enough, such that other technical measures aren't needed.

The latter can be compared to the case where you don't tell the world anything at all anyway. The end result is no growth either way, except that facebook linking has the potential for growth that sitting here doing nothing lacks.

Blogs are public, for public consumption. If you are upset that people might see them, why are you blogging?
Mar 24 2010, 4:25 am
In my honest opinion, the "Share on Facebook" button is pretty cool. It's a decent way for BYOND to make money. I haven't seen a good enough reason not to have them there. If people don't like Facebook, then don't click the button, simple as that. This shouldn't really be a big issue, people need get over it.
Mar 24 2010, 4:29 am
BxS0ldi3R wrote:
In my honest opinion, the "Share on Facebook" button is pretty cool. It's a decent way for BYOND to make money. I haven't seen a good enough reason not to have them there. If people don't like Facebook, then don't click the button, simple as that. This shouldn't really be a big issue, people need get over it.

This.
Mar 24 2010, 4:30 am
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Drama.
The stuff that happens around BYOND is sometimes appalling, and I don't want to be linked for something. If it were more of only the Author, of the content on BYOND, had the powers to link to Facebook then I'd me more than happy to put my "Share on Facebook" link back.
Either that or only those I chose that have joined my site to have the power to share it on Facebook.

If you don't wish to have your topic's linked towards, why post at all? You are publishing a post for people to see, this just means that it will be posted to a wider audience if said post is shared.


Spreading the word of and about BYOND is indeed a great way to attract more members, but if they were to see someone posted on the BYOND's Facebook containing a blog post that doesn't appear to be friendly, it might turn them right around because doesn't it also get displayed on BYOND's Facebook as well as your own?

Ever heard of the phrase "any publicity is good publicity", It is up to the audience to decide either if it is good or bad.
Mar 24 2010, 4:32 am
Stephen001 wrote:
Blogs are public, for public consumption. If you are upset that people might see them, why are you blogging?

yea +1

Mar 24 2010, 4:37 am
Sorry, I just don't jump on the bandwagon without taking a while to think about pros and cons.
Maybe in a short while, I'll put my link back up. But for now, I'll keep it down whilst I ponder.
Mar 24 2010, 4:38 am
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Sorry, I just don't jump on the bandwagon without taking a while to think about pros and cons.
Maybe in a short while, I'll put my link back up. But for now, I'll keep it down whilst I ponder.

Please do. And do ask if you have any questions about the rationale behind it, or potential issues.
Mar 24 2010, 4:41 am
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Sorry, I just don't jump on the bandwagon without taking a while to think about pros and cons.
Maybe in a short while, I'll put my link back up. But for now, I'll keep it down whilst I ponder.

What is there to speculate about? There is no con's to the situation only positives... I'd say jumping on the bandwagon would be disabling the link.
Mar 24 2010, 4:45 am (Edited on Mar 24 2010, 5:54 am)
[Edit: My apologies to Maximus_Alex2003 as this was not intended to be directed at any one person. I just found his text to be an example of what I'm trying to disprove.]


Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Spreading the word of and about BYOND is indeed a great way to attract more members, but if they were to see someone posted on the BYOND's Facebook containing a blog post that doesn't appear to be friendly, it might turn them right around because doesn't it also get displayed on BYOND's Facebook as well as your own?


This appears to be yet another example of people not knowing how social networks work and then complaining.

Facebook walls are open to the public. Any member of Facebook (whether they use BYOND or not) can become a fan and have the right to post on the wall. Drama on BYOND's wall is completely unaffected by share links.

Only announcements from BYOND's Facebook page will be relayed to fans. Only administrators can make these announcements. Those creating drama don't have access.

When a reader clicks a share link, it does not get posted on BYOND's Facebook page! Neither does it get posted on the Facebook wall of whoever created the content with the link!

The result only gets displayed on the clicker's Facebook page and privately relayed to that person's friends. They have always been able to write whatever they want about you there.
Mar 24 2010, 4:47 am
ACWraith wrote:
a column that's starting its fourth frelling year.

I realize this is off topic, but I have to give my props (having missed the announcement). That's quite amazing.
Mar 24 2010, 4:51 am
Toadfish wrote:

a column that's starting its fourth frelling year.

I realize this is off topic, but I have to give my props (having missed the announcement). That's quite amazing.

I'll second that... ACWraith has an extremely well done site. One of the most understated and underrated ones here. Bravo on your fourth year!
Mar 24 2010, 4:56 am
ACWraith wrote:
This appears to be yet another example of people not knowing how social networks work and then complaining.

Facebook walls are open to the public. Any member of Facebook (whether they use BYOND or not) can become a fan and have the right to post on the wall. Drama on BYOND's wall is completely unaffected by share links.

You, on the other hand might want to relax on the accusations and study a bit more on Facebook. You have the powers to chose who posts on your wall, and who doesn't.

Only announcements from BYOND's Facebook page will be relayed to fans. Only administrators can make these announcements. Those creating drama don't have access.

What stops me from continuously posting on BYOND's Facebook about something? Like, are there actually set rules for BYOND's Facebook?

If you'd like another reason as to why I refuse to have the Share to Facebook link enabled, is I am currently trying to find out the identity of the owner to the BlackFire Productions key for going around and scamming people using MY key to claim as their own. Check my blog if you are unaware. I don't want them posting anywhere, "Yeah hey I shared this Blog post on my Maximus_Alex2003 key so it only proves I'm him! So can you give me money please?"
Hence the:
"If it were more of only the Author, of the content on BYOND, had the powers to link to Facebook then I'd me more than happy to put my "Share on Facebook" link back."

So yeah, I have those reasons and a couple more. I didn't just jump right ahead and go, "This is lame." No. I thought a bit about it last night as I was on my search. So as I said, I'll think more about it.
That goes to Chris-g1 as well to answer his reply.

I'd like to also point out that, I do see great potential for this, but I'm not saying to put it down. I'm saying, "I" wish to give it time for "me" because of certain things at the moment.
Mar 24 2010, 5:02 am
I mean this in the nicest way possible, do you think anyone on that key owner's facebook cares about your key or the action you described would practicably harm you? Most of them won't know BYOND and the rest are probably not people he's going to scam / would be any more moved by a facebook wall than a pager message. If people are that gullible they are going to be scammed anyway and you don't need to try and protect them while also blocking us sharing any good blog posts you make.
Mar 24 2010, 5:05 am
Stephen001 wrote:
I mean this in the nicest way possible, do you think anyone on that key owner's facebook cares about your key or the action you described would practicably harm you? Most of them won't know BYOND and the rest are probably not people he's going to scam / would be any more moved by a facebook wall than a pager message. If people are that gullible they are going to be scammed anyway and you don't need to try and protect them while also blocking us sharing any good blog posts you make.

I agree. I'm just saying I don't want them to come up with (false) proof that they are me. I don't want to login to BYOND one day and find out a good friend of mine was scammed or something and they don't believe me, so I'm left with them thinking I owe them money for something.
Mar 24 2010, 5:06 am
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Stephen001 wrote:
I mean this in the nicest way possible, do you think anyone on that key owner's facebook cares about your key or the action you described would practicably harm you? Most of them won't know BYOND and the rest are probably not people he's going to scam / would be any more moved by a facebook wall than a pager message.

I agree. I'm just saying I don't want them to come up with (false) proof that they are me.

They are going to do that anyway, whether you like it or not, by virtue of the link sharing in facebook itself, which share link uses. In the process of failing to protect against that though, you've hammered the possibility of us impulsively sharing your good content with our friends.
Mar 24 2010, 5:09 am
Stephen001 wrote:
They are going to do that anyway, whether you like it or not, by virtue of the link sharing in facebook itself, which share link uses.

I guess I'd me more happier about the situation if Tom were to send BlackFire Productions a warning or discipline of some sort.
Mar 24 2010, 5:10 am
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
Stephen001 wrote:
They are going to do that anyway, whether you like it or not, by virtue of the link sharing in facebook itself, which share link uses.

I guess I'd me more happier about the situation if Tom were to send BlackFire Productions a warning or discipline of some sort.

http://www.byond.com/support/
Mar 24 2010, 5:13 am
Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
You, on the other hand might want to relax on the accusations and study a bit more on Facebook. You have the powers to chose who posts on your wall, and who doesn't.
What stops me from continuously posting on BYOND's Facebook about something? Like, are there actually set rules for BYOND's Facebook?

You're being completely ridiculous. This straw man argument has absolutely nothing to do with the Share with Facebook button.

If you'd like another reason as to why I refuse to have the Share to Facebook link enabled, is I am currently trying to find out the identity of the owner to the BlackFire Productions key for going around and scamming people using MY key to claim as their own. Check my blog if you are unaware. I don't want them posting anywhere, "Yeah hey I shared this Blog post on my Maximus_Alex2003 key so it only proves I'm him! So can you give me money please?"

How is this isolated from anybody else who wants to impersonate you? Whether it be on Facebook, BYOND, the DMV, wherever, the threat of impersonation is constant to everyone. Share with Facebook adds nothing to the threat of impersonation.

Hence the:
"If it were more of only the Author, of the content on BYOND, had the powers to link to Facebook then I'd me more than happy to put my "Share on Facebook" link back."

Complete strawman. There is nothing that has ever prevented anyone from linking your content on Facebook. This button only makes it quicker. If this _truly_ was your reason, why blog at all?

So yeah, I have those reasons and a couple more. I didn't just jump right ahead and go, "This is lame." No. I thought a bit about it last night as I was on my search. So as I said, I'll think more about it.

Doesn't take much thought. There are exactly zero rational reasons... well, maybe two:
1) You don't want your posts to be visible to the public.
2) You wish financial harm to BYOND.

Both are fixed by a front page ban.
Mar 24 2010, 5:26 am (Edited on Mar 24 2010, 5:33 am)
Bootyboy wrote:
Doesn't take much thought. There are exactly zero rational reasons... well, maybe two:
1) You don't want your posts to be visible to the public.

Wrong.

2) You wish financial harm to BYOND.

Wrong again.

Your only backup to this ordeal is that anyone without the share to Facebook link, is some sort of financial terrorist to BYOND.
While, in some small way you are correct about your reasoning, try to provide more backup than one reason.

If I didn't want my posts to be public, I wouldn't have posted in the first place on my member site. I might as well had made my CSS to make my site blank. And hell, I would've contacted every search engine to remove any results of "Maximus_Alex2003".
You get it now?
I'm not hiding my BYOND. I'm researching.
You see, before Facebook, there was Myspace. I tried to gather as many contacts I could into BYOND since they seem to enjoy the flash/java games on there. To what result? Nothing. No one really joined. Don't ever try to assume things about a person. Myspace isn't the only place I've tried to gather potential BYONDers.
You're trying to tell me I'm a threat to BYOND because I don't want any new members, which is the opposite of my preferred wishes. I lack finding a great variety of well made games so I actually do try to gather people who would be interested, but no bites.
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