Pay your Developers better!

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Mar 21 2010, 11:38 am
Good morning/afternoon/evening! We, the DBK team have decided to hire a programmer, a pixel artist and an interface designer. So anybody willing to apply for the job, please post here. Cash paid after the job is done, is as follows Programming 50$ for 2 months of programming Pixel Art 80$ for 2 months Interface Designing 5$ for making an interface which is decent Other than this we will also be willing to pay 5$ to anybody who makes a decent css for this blog. The css should look like this --> http://i39.tinypic.com/4scmmb.png Color Scheme: #2a2a2b, #6A6A68 and #4B4B49

Developers should NOT be paid pennies!
I commented quite a bit on the above thread, but apparently it was deleted.
Programmers generally a month make about $7,000.
Mar 21 2010, 11:48 am
He's an idiot, pay him no mind.
Mar 21 2010, 1:12 pm
yeah, programming a dbz game on byond is extremely hard complex, and requires at least 12 years of training, hence $7,000 a month

his post was stupid, but i think this one managed to be even stupider
Mar 21 2010, 1:21 pm
$7,000? on BYOND they make around 0 dollars a month. DBK is just another failure game.
Mar 21 2010, 1:56 pm
ignore what mean comments say

i am a superior dbz programmist and i make 12k$$$ a month

they dont know what their talking about
Mar 21 2010, 2:58 pm
This goes to DBK Team:

Why is it you are willing to pay a small $50 for the core of a project, when pixel artists are paid $80.
You have your numbers wrong, just to tell you.
In the real world, graphics cost less than code. Especially when you can make a game with as little as 8-bit graphics and have the most ingeniously made systems and engine to produce a beautiful game. On the other hand amazingly beautiful graphics and a shotty, no-good engine, is shunned.
Mar 21 2010, 3:01 pm
LoL
Mar 21 2010, 4:01 pm
Professional programmers maybe, but BYOND programmers don't make nearly that much.
Mar 21 2010, 4:16 pm
http://www.minecraft.net/

One guy makes it. Is an amateur, is using a language not much better than BYOND.
Has 11,183 people who bought the game at $13 each. Which is $145,379 in total.
Has been making it for maybe 8 months.
145,379/8 = $18,172 a month.

More than double $7,000 a month.

It is possible for an amateur programmer such as someone on BYOND to make more than $7,000 a month.
But I don't expect it to happen ever because the quality of BYOND games in in general very, very low (definitely not worth $13, maybe barely worth 13c).

Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
In the real world, graphics cost less than code. Especially when you can make a game with as little as 8-bit graphics and have the most ingeniously made systems and engine to produce a beautiful game.

Depends on what we are talking about "in the real world".
In commercial games, something like 40-50% of the entire budget goes on graphics. (Another 20-25% on publishing, and 10-20% on programming)

I cannot find the pie chart, but if you look on Google you'll probably find it in minutes.
Mar 21 2010, 4:18 pm
Shadow Serpent wrote:
Professional programmers maybe, but BYOND programmers don't make nearly that much.

no shit.
Mar 21 2010, 4:19 pm
Smoosh wrote:
Shadow Serpent wrote:
Professional programmers maybe, but BYOND programmers don't make nearly that much.

no shit.

Shut up Smoosh. Go work on your game- owait, you fail too much to make it.
Mar 21 2010, 4:22 pm
Shadow Serpent wrote:

Shut up Smoosh. Go work on your game- owait, you fail too much to make it.

Wheres yours?

Mar 21 2010, 4:23 pm
Tetsuya wrote:
Shadow Serpent wrote:

Shut up Smoosh. Go work on your game- owait, you fail too much to make it.

Wheres yours?

On my site.
Mar 21 2010, 4:25 pm
Must be overlooking it. Whats it called? I'm bored and want to try it.
Mar 21 2010, 4:27 pm
Tetsuya wrote:
Must be overlooking it. Whats it called? I'm bored and want to try it.

Yu Yu Hakusho Online. It's not available to the public. Feel free to try it next week during open testing.
Mar 21 2010, 4:28 pm
Sure will, I liked the anime. Be looking forward to it.
Mar 21 2010, 4:29 pm
Enjoy its awesome pixel art, Tetsuya. It's mind blowing.
Mar 21 2010, 4:40 pm
The Magic Man wrote:
145,379/8 = $18,172 a month.
More than double $7,000 a month.

it's worth noting that due to paypal and sweden's high tax rate, he actually gets about 40% of that

It is possible for an amateur programmer such as someone on BYOND to make more than $7,000 a month.
But I don't expect it to happen ever because the quality of BYOND games in in general very, very low (definitely not worth $13, maybe barely worth 13c).

what was the point of saying everything you just said? no one said it's impossible to earn that much as an amateur programmer; we (or just i?) said that you should not expect to be paid $7,000 a month for coding shinkais and jujitsus into a shitty byond game

Maximus_Alex2003 wrote:
In the real world, graphics cost less than code. Especially when you can make a game with as little as 8-bit graphics and have the most ingeniously made systems and engine to produce a beautiful game. On the other hand amazingly beautiful graphics and a shotty, no-good engine, is shunned.

The Magic Man wrote:
In commercial games, something like 40-50% of the entire budget goes on graphics. (Another 20-25% on publishing, and 10-20% on programming)

missingthepoint.jpg
Mar 21 2010, 4:54 pm
Zaole wrote:
it's worth noting that due to paypal and sweden's high tax rate, he actually gets about 40% of that

That kind of sucks actually.
But he is still making a good amount of money.

what was the point of saying everything you just said? no one said it's impossible to earn that much as an amateur programmer; we (or just i?) said that you should not expect to be paid $7,000 a month for coding shinkais and jujitsus into a shitty byond game

Was just saying.

missingthepoint.jpg

Wut?

He clearly said, more money is spent on programming that on graphics in "real life", and that if a pixel artist gets on average $80, then a programmer should get more.

I was simply correcting him.

It not only applied to commercial games.
I have in the past paid a hell of a lot of money for graphics, and nothing at all for programming.
You will find this true in most cases.
Graphics will cost you a hell of a lot more money that codes ever will.
Mar 21 2010, 4:55 pm
programmers are a dime a dozen on BYOND. They're uneducated, and possibly a violation of child labor laws in most situations. 80 might be fair if its like a kid doing it.
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