@Maximus_Alex2003: IainPeregrine isn't the first to publish a completed game by any means. However, his game is truly probably the first game of true excellence on BYOND that could actually appeal to someone from another gaming community.

@Yut Put: Just do a search on Yoyogames. You'll find more than plenty of garbage games. There's always going to be lots of those, and I don't imagine a community without them. The problem I see is that there -are- no good games out there to begin with. Regressia was the only example I could think of that would even remotely attract an outside audience.

Ganing wrote:

But then again, ripping has gotten to be such a huge problem, has it already gotten too large to control? Indeed, a new rip is probably created each day. The saying of "Creating original games, will help further more original games" is complete BS. I created a Naruto game with a ripped source because I liked Naruto, and wanted to own something Naruto. Really the only thing we can do, is hope that something like the old unpublished games comes back, and that games automatically go there first before being evaluated to go into an official BYOND guild. I feel that would have a good effect. It would keep rips away from the main crowd. But everyone seems to have their own idea on how rips should be dealt with. I personally think it's too late.

I don't see this as an issue.

Solar Conquest fairs well to the people I've shown it to. Typically these are people with a preconception about BYOND too.

I see your point but here's my take:

1. For me at least, while I do enjoy developing games, I'd like to actually be able to play some games every once in a while. It may be true that if you want something done you have to do it yourself but for say a rpg game, if you made it, you won't be able to enjoy playing it considering you know the story, mechanics and etc behind it.. :/
2. Life: college, jobs, etc
3. Yeah the old byond was better community wise to me and there DID seem to be more to play back then despite having less freedom with DM, and not even that long ago, such as the game Hurricane a few years ago...(seems just like yesterday)
4. It very well could be likely that some promising projects are just bubbbling under the surface, perhaps some guild could introduce games that "seem" to have promise every other day in order to bring publicity to it..Thinking a bit longer on that though, I could inevitably see harsh criticism for the owner and whatnot..

But overall, my little reply was probably all over the place but I really don't know how this can be fixed...Maybe the invisible hand approach should be taken...*shrugs Or, developers could try churning out more short term games..That's my preference for developing nowadays; I attempt to program games that have short development time and high replayability...

Speaking of Game Maker--based on my brief experience with it--its community doesn't seem too different. There are a lot of really crappy games, and a lot of kids cross posting in comments begging people to play their games. I think the only reason the problem is more evident on BYOND is because all of the games are multiplayer, and they use the website for socialization.

(also, DM > GML, as far as the language itself goes)

Fugsnarf, you're an idiot. I don't mean that in an insulting way. You're just literally an idiot.

Fugsnarf, you're an idiot. I don't mean that in an insulting way. You're just literally an idiot.

SilkWizard wrote:

Fugsnarf, you're an idiot. I don't mean that in an insulting way. You're just literally an idiot.

Funny thing, I could say the same about you, no insult intended of course.

So why sit here dormant, those that could do some good? I'm working on doing my part to better the community, and I'm putting my voice out there. Are you?