Barack Obama.

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Nov 9 2009, 5:21 pm
KDG wrote:
Jeff8500 wrote:
If you notice, it would be absolutely terrible to talk to someone that speaks like that?

The same could be said for any language you don't understand.

There's a difference between a language and a dialect.
Nov 9 2009, 6:14 pm
KDG wrote:
The funny thing to me is that many of you talk about "Ebonics" being retarded and unprofessional and "barbaric," yet many of you have a tendency to [typ lik dis an dat] and mispell words (whether purposely or ignorantly) and say things like "omg ur a n00b" merely because it's popular internet dialect. I'm not saying all of you do (though many of you have at one point) but the fact remains that it's no better and no less "barbaric" (if you want to call it that) than saying "yo yo wut up dawg letz go smoke a L n fuck sum bitchez". Hypocrisy much?

if "not all of us" do that yet you're making the point and calling out hypocrisy... who ARE you referring to? don't just say "some of you somewhere maybe but not anyone in specific"
Nov 9 2009, 7:21 pm
Zaole wrote:
KDG wrote:
The funny thing to me is that many of you talk about "Ebonics" being retarded and unprofessional and "barbaric," yet many of you have a tendency to [typ lik dis an dat] and mispell words (whether purposely or ignorantly) and say things like "omg ur a n00b" merely because it's popular internet dialect. I'm not saying all of you do (though many of you have at one point) but the fact remains that it's no better and no less "barbaric" (if you want to call it that) than saying "yo yo wut up dawg letz go smoke a L n fuck sum bitchez". Hypocrisy much?

if "not all of us" do that yet you're making the point and calling out hypocrisy... who ARE you referring to? don't just say "some of you somewhere maybe but not anyone in specific"

Well you're a perfect example since you seem to desire a specific target. I wasn't referring to anyone but rather making a generalization but you'll do just as well.
Nov 9 2009, 7:21 pm
Jeff8500 wrote:
If you notice, wouldn't it be absolutely terrible to talk to someone that speaks like that?

I have no idea who came up with the stupid name, but these are some common features of various Pennsylvania dialects, as well as the closer areas of New York and New Jersey.

And guess what?

I fuckin' talk like that, at least for some of the features. My dialect is more similiar to the Pittsburgh dialect.

And, of course, this is unrelated to ebonics or AAVE. I'm still asserting that dialects are not "derivative" or "degrading", as any competent linguist will.
Nov 9 2009, 7:22 pm
Vexonater wrote:
KDG wrote:
Jeff8500 wrote:
If you notice, it would be absolutely terrible to talk to someone that speaks like that?

The same could be said for any language you don't understand.

There's a difference between a language and a dialect.

Perhaps but that's beside the point of my statement.
Nov 9 2009, 7:37 pm
KDG wrote:
Well you're a perfect example since you seem to desire a specific target. I wasn't referring to anyone but rather making a generalization but you'll do just as well.

care to point out where i "typed lik dis an dat" or misspelled a word (when not being facetious)?
Nov 9 2009, 7:45 pm
Zaole wrote:
care to point out where i "typed lik dis an dat" or misspelled a word (when not being facetious)?

Very well.

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Nov 9 2009, 7:50 pm
I think one of his specifications was "when not being facetious".
Nov 9 2009, 8:00 pm
Popisfizzy wrote:
I think one of his specifications was "when not being facetious".

I didn't bother reading the whole example before posting it. Just a quick copy/paste.
Nov 10 2009, 7:23 am
lol.
Nov 10 2009, 7:25 am
KDG wrote:
Popisfizzy wrote:
I think one of his specifications was "when not being facetious".

I didn't bother reading the whole example before posting it. Just a quick copy/paste.

how much of the example was required, exactly, for you to come to the realization?
Nov 10 2009, 9:40 am
PiF, your original post was better than I first thought.

I just realized your intent. You put a poll up which referred to "gangsta" talk, but the body of your post referenced AAVE. Then you posed the simple question, is/why is this offensive?

For me, when I think of "gangsta" talk, I think of rapid fire misogynist, racist, and curse words. This is to most people very offensive. But that doesn't mean that grammatically and syntactically correct English does not contain the same words as well.

So, to answer your question properly:
1) Yeah, I would be offended by anyone publically talking like a "stereotypical gangsta"
2) Not everyone who speaks in AAVE speaks like a "stereotypical gangsta".
3) Dialectical English in and of itself is not offensive... it should be embraced as it can hold some unique cultural or regional meaning.

Great post, PiF.
Dec 6 2009, 9:09 am
Of course, "Gangstas" do not make good presidents.
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