Foomer wrote:

Sariat wrote:

If you made it an original game you wouldn't have to live up to the standards of the series

The flip side to that is if you make it an original game, you'll be ditching the players who are only interested in playing the game because they like Zelda. It worked for anime.

Hey I'm not knocking it, I'm just helping you see where Silk is coming from. I think the zelda game is going to bring in some players and expand BYOND's playerbase!

SilkWizard, incase you didn't realize, you made DWO, a crappy fangame.

You also made NEStalgia, which is like alot of crappy fangames rolled together. Get your canadian-inspired attitude out of here.

Fugsnarf wrote:

It's a fan game. I'm not trying to be a professional here. I'm just having fun. Trying to increase my boundaries a little and also do something I enjoy. Programming with DM. In case you didn't notice, I'm not looking for any awards or trying to sell this product in any way.

So you admit that you're really not trying that hard and that you don't really care how good it is, but you get your panties in a bunch when I point out that you're not trying very hard and that your game doesn't look very good. Huh?

Fugnsarf wrote:

You went through your cycle of making fan games.

DWO is a shining example of how a fan game should be done. I made DWO because I was an actual hardcore fan of the NES Dragon Warrior series. Every single aspect of that game was meticulously designed to be true to the original series. I spent as much time researching/tinkering with the original DW games as I did coding DWO itself. To compare the lazy, shoddy effort you've put into this "Zelda game" to my work on DWO is laughable.

I don't have anything against fan games if they're done right. Your game isn't even close.

Fugsnarf wrote:

And as far as the different sprites used go, get over it.

Indeed. Because you're too lazy to do it right.

Like most "fan game" creators on BYOND, you're just looking to get a boost from using the name of a popular game series, and are taking advantage of the added bonus of not having to make your own graphics. Have fun with that.

SilkWizard wrote:

DWO is a shining example of how a fan game should be done. I made DWO because I was an actual hardcore fan of the NES Dragon Warrior series. Every single aspect of that game was meticulously designed to be true to the original series. I spent as much time researching/tinkering with the original DW games as I did coding DWO itself. To compare the lazy, shoddy effort you've put into this "Zelda game" to my work on DWO is laughable.

Here we go, another one of SilkWizard's classic "everything I do is right and everything you do is wrong" rants.

There are two big fat obvious things that you're overlooking here. One is that DW is not as action oriented as Zelda games are, and they are therefore easier to recreate accurately on BYOND. The second is that you're bashing a game that isn't close to being finished yet. You're even bashing the game's test maps for crying out loud.

I just realized that I never saw the second video. After reviewing, my comments:

Your intro sequence looks like it came from a Final Fantasy game. A more typical approach to a Zelda game might go something like this:

1. Start with a narrated back story to explain the situation of the world that you'll be playing it.

2. Introduce the player to their character. Give them an task to complete but let them explore a bit in the mean time (limited exploration, though). During this time they can learn the game mechanics.

3. Once they're comfortable with the game mechanics they can complete their specified task, which will spur the story on a little and lead them to their first challenge or dungeon.

The Zelda games that I've played follow a routine similar to this, with exception of the original Legend of Zelda.

In Link to the Past, you hear the back story, then you're put into character as Link, awake in bed, being called to and asked to come to the castle quickly. You can run around, open chests and break pots in the house, pull up bushes, etc... But guards and obstacles won't let you stray too far off the map. Once you've mastered the basics, you can sneak into the castle, get your sword, and progress through your first dungeon (the castle).

In Ocarina of Time, you hear the back story, then you're shown a dream and you wake up as Link, in bed. You can break some pots if you want. Once you exit the house, you're told that you need to visit the Deku tree. You can run around, learn how to do things while helping people out ("help me move this rock!", "help me clear these bushes!"), then you find your sword and learn to use it. However, you cannot leave the forest without first visiting the Deku tree (your first dungeon).

In Windwaker, you hear the back story, then your sister wakes you up in the lookout tower. You're told what to do, then you can run around the island exploring and learning how to do things. Eventually the story is expanded a little bit when Tetra falls into the trees and you have to rescue her, which progressively leads to the first dungeon.

You see a pattern here?

Also, as I mentioned briefly, instead of having characters say things like "Did you know if you push [button] you can do this?", its better to have it in a formal that makes you feel like you're helping the person out. "Can you help me move this rock? Its so heavy! You can help me push it using [button]."

You should also visit PureZC. Its for Zelda Classic, but those guys have been working on Zelda quests for years, and they'll give you plenty of tips on how to improve yours.

There's also some graphics there that you might be able to use. You really need to work on yours - your dungeon graphics aren't right at all. Walls are too small, and that's not a proper locked door.

Foomer wrote:

Here we go, another one of SilkWizard's classic "everything I do is right and everything you do is wrong" rants.

And here comes Fooomer with another "Silk commented on something so I better get involved in the conversation to counter whatever he said".

I liked you better when you were just some weirdly religious dude who drew amazing pixel art. I'm not sure why you suddenly have some sort of grudge against me, but get over it.


Foomer wrote:

There are two big fat obvious things that you're overlooking here. One is that DW is not as action oriented as Zelda games are, and they are therefore easier to recreate accurately on BYOND.

You don't know what you're talking about. Granted, you rarely do when it comes to game design. Speaking of which:


Foomer wrote:

The second is that you're bashing a game that isn't close to being finished yet. You're even bashing the game's test maps for crying out loud.

Remember the time when I put up the early screenshots of NEStalgia with really shitty mismatched sprites? Or when I posted a video with a poorly written/directed cutscene?

Oh wait, didn't happen. I stand by my work -- I don't rely upon the cowardly "you can't say anything negative because this is an alpha!" line.

Fugsnarf wrote:

Can we just be done with this, Silkwizard? I'm done arguing with you. I don't want this to continue. Please just wait until I release a version of the game before you continue insulting me.

I replied to Foomer, not you. You and I don't have much else to discuss on this topic - you agreed with what I said in comment #26.

You've been posting screenshots of your game looking for feedback. If you aren't looking for honesty, you should disable comments or just let people know that you're fishing for compliments. You're the one who wanted to me expand on my original post - don't make me out to be the bad guy.

Fugsnarf wrote:

All you've been doing is insulting my game.

That's all SilkWizard knows how to do. Have you ever read his blog? If he wasn't allowed to be negative, he wouldn't know what to say. Either take what he says with a grain of salt, or just ignore him.