RougePix isn't funny. Infact he's just been mean to everyone here. I wish he'd just go away!

I love his lipstick.

RougePix. I'm a faggot because I'm totally gay for you. ;-*

Stop with these idiotic religion based posts! No one will ever agree so why bother. Makes no sense if one idiot starts a post and everyone argues and then another idiot starts a post and every argues then you(acting like an idiot) start a post and people argue. Just stop already.

Just something random I've noticed after I read throught this post. What Christians (and most other religions) interpret as God (or a god, depending on your religion) seems to be what science calls the Big Bang, the universe, and the Laws of physics, in a way.

Also, about the link that Drumersl posted, I noticed about this line:
"The universe is not one ten trillionth the size we are told."

I wonder if those people realized that one ten-trillionth of infinite is still infinite?

STOP TALKING ABOUT ABOUT RELIGION >:|

Also, in an infinite space everywhere is the centre.

For once....I agree with Elation >,< *shivers*

I wonder if those people realized that one ten-trillionth of infinite is still infinite?

The universe is not currently held to be infinite. There's a good reason for that - if you look out into the night sky, due to the expansion of the universe, there will be places in the universe that you cannot ever see or get to. Think about it - The expansion of the universe is an expansion of space, it isn't actual movement. It is entirely possible that the cumulative effect of this expansion could mean that something is 'virtually' moving away from us at the speed of light, or faster. We couldn't see such an object, and we couldn't ever reach it - that sets finite constraints on an infinite universe, if it is infinite.

Another thing you need to remember when thinking about concepts like the size of the universe or the centre of the universe, is that when we look out into space, we look back in time. If you look at the sun (Presumably using suitable protection), you're looking 8 minutes into the past. Look at Alpha Centauri, that's four years into the past. Look a billion light years away, that's a billion light years in the past. We have no idea what some of the things we look at now actually look like at the moment. Some of the stars we look at - say, Betelgeuse - probably don't even exist anymore. That makes determining things like the size of the universe a whole lot harder, and effectively limits the size of the observable universe to 20 billion light years in diameter - the currently accepted date for the Big Bang is about 10 billion years ago.

Your referring to the Big Crunch (or the Gnab Gib, depending on what you like), which would pull all matter back in. I don't think that the Big Cruch is accepted as much anymore, but more the Big Rip.

Actually, they're both definite possibilities. The expansion of the universe seems to be accelerating, thanks to observations of distant supernovas, but that interpretation may be incorrect. In that case, it all revolves around how dense the universe is on average. There's a critical density - if there's more stuff in the universe then that, you get the Big Crunch. Less, you get an infinite expansion and heat death. Exactly the same, the expansion continues on forever, but it is asymptotic to zero - it hits zero at a point infinitely far away, but gets slower all the time.

As for the centre - the Big Bang happened everywhere at once. Why do you think we can see the Cosmic Microwave Background from everywhere? You're making the mistake of thinking of the Bang sort of like an explosion in an already present universe - it wasn't. It was the expansion of space and time from a singularity. That singularity was 'everywhere'. That is where the Bang happened - everywhere. It's a bit of a mind-melter, but this stuff often is.

Once heat death (or whatever it's called) occurs, the universe would pull back in on itself.

Nah, if the universe pulls back on itself, you get a Big Crunch, and everything can happen again. Heat death is a term for when everything sort of runs out of gas - all energy in the universe gets turned into heat. Not much to worry about, thanks to quantum. It turns out that quantum mechanical objects have a chance to essentially ignore thermodynamics - thermodynamics is a probabilistic thing, based on the movements of trillions of particles at once. It works, because if a single particle has a one in ten chance of ignoring thermodynamics, a trillion particles have a 1 in 10^trillion chance of all ignoring it. Of course, you just need about half of them to break the rules, but even that is pretty unlikely.

However, in a massive universe, that is sitting around for a long, long time, eventually, a large group of particles will break the rules. It's bound to happen - any finite probability that could occur over an infinite amount of times will happen an infinite amount of times. Plus, once everything has hit heat death, the chance for particles to screw thermodynamics actually goes up.

I actually made a post about fixedearth.com a while back. What really scares me about that guy is just how badly his attacks are structured - the guy obviously has no knowledge of physics whatsoever. He attacks the Moon causing tides, because the gravity of the Moon is nullified at a point between the Earth and the Moon, and keeps on 'reaching out' beyond that point. To some extent, that's true - at a point on the line between the Earth and the Moon, there's a place where you experience no force due to gravity. But imagine a tug of war, where nobody is moving. So the force is nullified at the point on the centre of the rope. But the people at both ends still feel a force!

Better yet, he's never heard of the Coriolis effect (Which does NOTHING for toilets, btw), or Foucalt's Pendulum.

EDIT: Oh, and my delightfully makeup-named friend RougePix should probably stop trolling, or loath as I am to ban someone, I will.

Hmm, I never actually thought about the big bang starting everywhere at once. If I put all of what you said, I think I see what you mean about the big bang happening everywhere at once. Something would have to have space in order for it to happen everywhere at once, though. Doesn't that mean that, in a way, the big bang happened in one location, that could've been everywhere at the same time?

Also, I think it's kind of funny how this started bashing religion, and is now on science.

Jp's an all-American-hero.

Incidently, when it comes to religion-bashing, you ever listen to some of MC Hawking's raps? They're great.

I know some stuff about singularity. I read as much as I could about it on wikipedia. Was I the least bit correct with my assumption?

About MC Hawking: Me and my friends think Stephen hawking should be in a band. He would be the lead singer, Einstein would be the guitarist (with one of those synthetic piano guitars), and Isaac Newton would be on electric drums. I couldn't even imagine the name for the band.