I think that this sums up Goku and everyone else fairly well. I particularly like Vegeta's summary.
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Why are we talking about Ichigo now?
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Indeed. Vegeta was a pro at making the villain's job easier.
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Jaysburn wrote:
Why are we talking about Ichigo now? Because he'd wipe the floor with just about any protagonist of any anime series. | |
Bubbles and Buttercup would destory Ichigo.
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The problem with Ichigo typically is he's a plot device by nature, and seems to be written to ass-pull for abilities more than Goku, who's own habit for ass-pulling was bad enough.
I could cite this fine fellow for example as someone with an ability to at the least draw with Ichigo:  But the problem comes is that while Dio Brando can essentially stop time for as long as he pleased (and move within this stopped time-bubble, which is meant to encompass the world as a whole), any fight between the two, if written by Tite Kubo, would provide Ichigo with an ass-pull opportunity to get out of this. It's one of the many reasons Bleach is so dull, the protagonist is designed never to lose, and would never be permitted by the author to lose. If Ichigo squares up against someone, you basically know what result Tite Kubo has written, even if he takes a 400 episode detour before getting to that conclusion. This would of course be passable, if Ichigo wasn't so predictably good also. He's never really presented with a proper crisis of conscience, unsure of his overall goal, or ever just loses it and does something genuinely bad with no underlying rationale. The guy has all the personality of a cardboard cut-out of a WWE wrestler, possibly even less, as they do at least change sides once in a blue moon. So he never really does anything cool with this author-designed un-beatable attribution. | |
Stephen001 wrote:
The problem with Ichigo typically is he's a plot device by nature, and seems to be written to ass-pull for abilities more than Goku, who's own habit for ass-pulling was bad enough. Because of this , I now refuse to watch bleach. | |
Lol. Of course, but that's my point - because of the type of character Ichigo is, he would not lose to Goku, Aang, Naruto, etc. He'd most likely win.
Now, which series has a more dull storyline is another discussion. One thing that made Dragon Ball boring is that death meant nothing because all they had to do was get 7 balls and summon a big dragon and wish the person back. You didn't really care if someone died because you knew eventually they would come back via a wish. To make matters even worse, Goku was even able to come back to Earth and fight while he was dead, so technically he didn't even need to be wished back in order to help out. In Bleach, when someone dies, they stay dead, which is why the author is forced to make it so Ichigo never dies, or if he does enter a fatal state, his Hollow powers would be able to heal him. Naruto is a little bit similar, except now in the series, there's a lot of reviving going on ( mainly by Kabuto ). Hopefully they won't overdo it like Dragon Ball and start bringing people to life left and right. Besides, technically Ichigo would have probably died to Nnoitra had not Kenpachi and Nel interfered. He was too worn out in his fight against Grimmjow and Kenpachi pretty much saved his life. Him and Kenpachi also tied in a fight despite the fact Kenpachi considered it a loss. Ichigo loses sometimes, its just never a loss that results in his death. | |
And so, never a loss of any consequence to the story. It's the rather unfortunate formulaic nature of Jump series as a whole, where-by the main character typically 1. cannot lose in any serious way (usually they'll enjoy the odd defeat in order to drive them stronger, cue montage) and 2. have a veritable heart of gold (irrespective of their mouth).
This is of course why people enjoy things like Code Geass or Death Note so much when compared. Jump anime kind of just leaves you with a thuggish primal "hulk smash" thing going on, and unfortunately, not a whole lot else. *shrug* What can I say, it worked for me when I was 13, it doesn't really do it for me anymore. | |
Besides, technically Ichigo would have probably died to Nnoitra had not Kenpachi and Nel interfered. He was too worn out in his fight against Grimmjow and Kenpachi pretty much saved his life. Him and Kenpachi also tied in a fight despite the fact Kenpachi considered it a loss. Ichigo loses sometimes, its just never a loss that results in his death. Except all of these things did happen, because against any character with a serious interest in killing him, he wins himself or some plot ex machina happens such that he's on the winning side. There's never any risk of seeing the protagonist actually fail in a serious way. | |
Well, that's with ANY series. You can't have a series without a protagonist. There would be no Death Note if Light was shot in the head and died the first episode. If you make a series centered around a character, that character has to survive.
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Tsuna would woop them all X-Burner v.v
And for whats going on I hate the fact that most animes don't even allow the character to lose a fight. Like seriously I hate when they win very match thats just stupid to me. | |
Yes, but there's a borderline between surviving and the audience knowing the protagonist will win 90% of his fights overwhelmingly, and the 10% that are a struggle will either be inconsequential or backup will arrive just in time.
The series becomes perfectly predictable as soon as this trend develops, and it becomes ... dull. | |
Gaku wud win
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Which is why lately I watch animes like "Another" and "Mirai Nikki"
To a certain extent it's unpredictable. Also I like the manga "The Breaker" It's about pure martial arts, nothing else. The premise is that there is a secret world that lives alongside the normal world called Murim. People of murim birth are martial artists of the highest caliber. A normal lowly murim-in could defeat any normal human. Anyway within this world there are of course various layers of complexity and strength. And an everyday, runt/weaking type gets drawn into this. However it differs alot from normal (im so weak) type anime characters and the story is really difficult to judge in the direction that it will go and I guess that's what keeps it interesting to me. I also like a manga called Gamaran. It's focus is the school of ogres, the supposed strongest style in japan and it's youngest protege Gamaran, who is the son of the famed *and nefarious* 1000 man slayer, Jinosuke. It starts off slow and eventually makes up for what it lacks by building up the characters and fleshing out the details...but mainly, the manga is about combat, with martial styles, weapon styles, anything goes. Both very good and I'd recommend them to anyone who is looking for something that doesn't follow conventional cliches when it comes to Manga/Anime. | |
And also on an entirely different note. Mario with a star man would kill Aang, Naruto and Ichigo, with one touch. :D
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Yut Put wrote:
Mudkip wins. Gyrados beats mudkip. | |
Yut Put wrote:
Lettuce be cereal. Unless I drink grape soda and do the happy dance. | |
Yut Put wrote:
Any other situation which involves mudkipz not winning is a logical fallacy It does involve mudkips. The universe is a giant cluster of everything that is related. Thus by defeating me with mudkips you defeat yourself :o | |
He was not a transvestite......
He was "different"
:o