Condi Rice has been flying round the world trying to tell us that the US doesnt use torture, despite about a billion reports and evidence that they are.
You have to wonder what actualy goes through a governments think tank, if everyone in europe knows your shipping prisoners eastwards where laws on torture arent as bad and that your abusing that, then saying "we dont do that" is really going to convince us otherwise.
Why havent the CIA been charged of crimes against humanity yet ?
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 Dec 5 2005, 2:24 pm
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Dec 5 2005, 2:36 pm
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Garthor
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And what makes your word more valuable than hers?
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I never heard of this. European nations can suck my dick for all I care, you people are just as cocky as the average American. It makes me sick, Yes I am an American, and I see it everyday. Hell some of you are worse. Yes I do think Americans are pretty ignorant but not as much as you make them out to be. I am not saying all Europeans are I am saying that it seems to a lot of them are. But on topic, I have never heard of this, where did you get this info from?
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Well, DSN, there was that prison in Iraq. What was it called? Oh yes, Abu Ghraib.
What about that great speech by Dubya? "The CIA does not use torture. But we can't outlaw torture, so the CIA can do it's job". Ummm... What? | |
US says they never torture LMAO Oh no... It's another "China" post all over again... | |
Who gives a fuck? If we don't torture, they will torture us first.
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I didn't ask for a paraphase, I asked for a news site that has an article on this. Since I am sure that I am only getting half truths.
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Hell, I think torture is a great method, it not only makes people feel extraordinary pain it's the only way that you can acutal enforce laws. Everyone knows that prison dosn't do shit for most people.
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Because our government is teh sux
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I personally don't think torcher is bad in all situations, and truth be told, everyone does it, but I think our government covers it up a lot which is annoying. Some they just don't know about, though... And they really could never know about.
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Yeah Mike, you might have wanted to say "Some people in the US say they never torture LMAO" otherwize people are going to call you racist against all Americans.
But yeah, the US do so many bad things. It really annoys me how they get away with everything. | |
"And what makes your word more valuable than hers?"
The fact that I aint lying. Its well known that america have been expanding their foreign secret prisons over to eastern europe, it makes it easier to torture people legaly. "where did you get this info from?" Its common knowledge, look up the BBC or something. Germany is pissed off that america is using its airports to ship off prisoners to secret camps, and its sort of leaked since then. "Oh no... It's another "China" post all over again..." Actualy, I'm known for being anti-american government, and partly anti-american-culture, I dont come from any funny backgrounds or anything, I just dont believe a country should get away with the things it does. "Who gives a fuck? If we don't torture, they will torture us first." Right, and "they" happen to be random civilians rights ? I really see the uprising of Arab postal workers and journalists dominating the world. | |
Also the UK is not like other European countries, for one we don't use the euro. :P
And I hate it whenever someone says something against Americans they combat with "Europeans are much worse." Brits aren't really refered to as "Europeans." And plus I've never known a worse Government than the US. | |
OMG OMG ROFL LMAO LOL
U.S. is a thought and not a real person, how could it torture anyone, let alone say anything? | |
I'm using United States in the context of a government, which it is. I see nothing wrong with my use of terminology, thanks.
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<sarcasm>Psh. Us americans are the greatest race the world has ever known, we can do whatever we want.</sarcasm>
On the serius side, torture is cruel, mean, and all that other stuff. But do you know what else it is? Necisary (spelling?). Everyone does it, the only differance is that we say we don't. But I'll be damned if your country doesn't lie either, Hell, I'll be damned if you don't lie. Everyone lies, that is the way the world is. | |
Acebloke, if they're so secret, then how do you know about them?
Also, Dark_Shadow_Ninja, shut up. You're being just like Zeen18. Also, Jp, do you really think that what comes out of Bush's mouth has any relation to reality? Anyway, torture is pretty shitty. Sleep deprivision is better. Three days and they'll do anything you want. | |
The goverment is pretty bad, but it's not nearly as bad as China, and we can get away with so much because Europe is full of sissys. Your goverments are letting us get away with it no? They are afraid to get in the U.S. way this is why we can do what we damn well please. Until we are no longer a super power we will do so.
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Oh come ON! I'll bet every country in existance has been stained by the use of torture! Even the vatican's had it's moments in the dark...
Torture is human! Sure, it's all bad 'n stuff, and we should not condone it, but then again, the U.S. is definately not the only so called "Civilized" country to use torture... | |
"Everyone does it, the only differance is that we say we don't. But I'll be damned if your country doesn't lie either,"
Actualy, a lot of countries DONT use torture as our forms of law systems are fine as it is, it does not require pain to secure information. There maybe things like lie-detectors, truth syrums, but not torture in a physical sense. Us "europeans" have delevoped in a way that its not necessary to torture people. | |