So when a zygote is conceived, it is considered to have a soul, correct? What if that baby is an identical twin? In the formation of an identical twin, an embryo breaks up into two pieces, both of which develop. Does this mean an identical twin only has half of a soul? And what makes a human zygote better than a sponge zygote, or an annelid's zygote?
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Cellzer wrote:
They have their own soul. Just because they split doesn't mean they're souls are. But a two headed turtle is one organism; it doesn't count. So they share a soul? Then how do they have a different personality? They have different souls? But they were both conceived as the same organism, and weren't conceived again after that. And the only notable differences between a human zygote and the zygote and another animal/multicellular protist would be specific proteins and DNA, which can be changed. | |
Jeff8500 wrote:
Cellzer wrote: Are you talking about genetic DNA? Twins are basically the same but with different souls. Not every twin is the same, or there could be a chance that the souls were a copy. | |
Cellzer wrote:
Jeff8500 wrote: First of, is there any other kind of DNA? If a soul is formed at conception, then how do identical twins get complete souls? Explain this to me, the writers of the bible probably assumed twins were satan's spawn and didn't include this in genesis. | |
I think you should find some religious person, or a pastor and ask them this, Jeff. Their reaction might be funny. Although I can see a most likely excuse from them.
"God knows all, God sees all so in making twins he sends two souls." Anyone wanna bet me? :P | |
Jeff8500 wrote:
If a soul is formed at conception, then how do identical twins get complete souls? Explain this to me, the writers of the bible probably assumed twins were satan's spawn and didn't include this in genesis. Actually, god personally puts the soul in to a fetus exactly 2052 hours after conception. | |
Vexonater wrote:
Jeff8500 wrote: And if there is no fetus 2052 hours after conception, hell fire rains down upon the mother. | |
Ollyseeya wrote:
I think you should find some religious person, or a pastor and ask them this, Jeff. Their reaction might be funny. Although I can see a most likely excuse from them. Does that mean god can see into the future? If so, does that mean the future is predefined? If so does that mean free will does not actually exist? If so does that mean I can do whatever the hell I want because that is what was suppose to happen, and I will not go to hell for it because technically I have no free will and cannot be punished for something that is not my own fault? If so, see you in Heaven 8D You enjoy your boring God fearing life, I'ma go live it up and cut loose (because that is what is suppose to happen) and have a great time with my life and sin as much as a sinner can sin. Still be seeing you in heaven. | |
Everyone has free will to do whatever they want. Right now if I decided to run out into traffic and get hit by a car, would that be a predestined death or would I be dead because I was stupid. Of course the answer is the latter, just because God knows what is going to happen does not negate free will.
God can look into anyone's heart at any moment in time and see choices they will make if they continue acting and thinking the way that the currently are, but at anytime that person can decide to change there ways and put there life on a different path. You see there are many paths in life you can take. You can of course take your own path in life seeking what you desire. A lot people allow someone else to control there life(wife or husband would be a good example), some people follow satan's path in life by living a like of evil and some(very few) follow God's path for there life. There are a endless amount of paths you can take and God can see them all, but it is up to you to pick which one you take. I mean if people did not have free will what would be the point of life? I believe there is alot of predestined things that happen in life but I don't believe that anything that could negate free will is predestined otherwise life is pointless. | |
Identical twin's means there DNA is the same and has nothing to do with souls.
Twins being born into this world is not a surprise to God. If God can create every living thing on earth, how hard could it be for God to make supernatural changes when special occurrences happen like twins being born? First thing you should learn about God is, he is a living being not a inanimate object. God is fully aware, always working and never tires. The fact is, even if souls do not enter at conception it really would not make a difference to a Christian. The simple act of getting pregnant, conceiving in your heart that there is a child inside of you. Then in your heart deciding that you need to get rid of the child is a sin by itself. Example of conceiving sin in your heart would be what Jesus said about adultery. Jesus said: "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman TO lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." These same principals can be applied to stem cell research also. If you are trying to change christians minds with these types of arguments you truly are wasting your time. Only weak minded or weak faith Christians would be swayed by these types of arguements. I found it mildly interesting though, come up with some more stuff like this. | |
Haha, soul.
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Jesus Can Ride A Bike With No Handle Bars.
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Solee wrote:
Identical twin's means there DNA is the same and has nothing to do with souls. You never told me what makes a sponge zygote inferior to a human zygote. | |
Since it isn't a whole soul, it's not a soul. Everyone(meaning everyone with an IQ above Darwin) knows twins have no souls, silly.
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Think of a soul like a conscience. Something that "exists" only by the actions one does.
Allow me to explain this logically, two identical twins won't share the same sense of ideals or make decisions the same way. They will have different mindsets of what right and wrong actually is...Thus having a different soul. So when a zygote splits, Jesus will come down on a flying carpet of jellybeans and sprinkle fairydust on them. | |
A soul is not something tangible that can simply be split. It is individual for each person. Since each twin is a person, they both have a soul.
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Yeah, if you really wanted to argue about them you'd point out stuff like why christians fight so much, most never read the bible, go to church, etc.
Or you could point out how Jesus' story is probably copied, and how the bible is written by a few guys, rather than Jesus himself and is constantly misinterpreted.. You know, the classics. | |
I don't really want to get into a big argument, but I am a solid christian. There are not many of us around, but people like me actually do read the bible and go to church regulary. We stop fights and solve problems and try our best not to start them.
The Bible was written by TONS of people, not just a few guys, so that is very false. And if you want to argue that the gospels are just written by a few stupid random people, keep into account that the book of luke was reserached by the man named Luke who talked to real whitnesses and consulted real documents on the issue. That is historical fact. It is also historical fact that there are tons of documentations of the story of Jesus by respected people in those times who were not even christians. | |
IcewarriorX wrote:
Yeah, if you really wanted to argue about them you'd point out stuff like why christians fight so much, most never read the bible, go to church, etc. Just because someone claims to be Christian does not make them one. Most people claim to be Christian because there parents made them go to church when they where little. They have never actually been serious about knowing God. There are plenty of Jews and Muslims that fail into this category as well. Or you could point out how Jesus' story is probably copied, and how the bible is written by a few guys, rather than Jesus himself and is constantly misinterpreted.. There are estimates of over forty authors who compiled the bible over thousands of years. As for Jesus writing himself that would have been completely stupid. The point of having others write is because people are more likely to believe witnesses rather than the person himself. If I said I was the richest man in the world would you believe me? What if forty people who did not know each other all told you I was. Which case would you be more likely to believe. I am unaware of any misinterpretation of Jesus words in the bible, only poor English translations or it is misread by people who like to take random sentences out of the bible and make it whatever they want it to be. To actually understand the bible you will need to study it in the same manner you would study a programming language. Just picking random parts in the bible is like all these narutards that slap together demo's or ripped sources to make a game. You don't have respect for those people, so why become one when it comes to the bible. | |
Example? Two headed turtle.
Correct me if I am wrong.
And Human Zygote are more advanced if I say so.