Stephen001 wrote:

I suspect what you are seeing there is an emotional response to the situation as a whole. I definitely don't agree with the way they went about it in so far as they are directing their feelings at the wrong people, however their concerns are worth considering. Unfortunately statistical noise is not an explanation people who are emotionally involved would listen to.

I don't think anyone(any rational person) is saying they can't protest the war or it's atrocities. However, what they(low lifes) did is far beyond peaceful protest. If they had done it in a civil manner(such as holding a rally), I would have applauded them, and supported their right to speak freely without fear.

Unfortunately, they didn't handle protest civilly, and instead bit the hand that is feeding them these freedoms. It is not, and never should be appropriate to assault/insult soldiers who have just come home from serving their country. It's antisocial, uncivil, and barbaric to call these men and women "butchers". I don't understand how anyone can sit by while these villains degrade their country's heroes.

Stephen001 wrote:

And the appropriate authorities will be handling the fact they over-stepped the mark. Sitting by is something people do a lot in the UK, in general. The silent majority.

I understand that, however, stating that you can't say anything in objection(see the blog entry) is ridiculous. Ace is trying to say he can't object to their over-stepping, and that's just not the case

Uhhh, yeah because all of the people I know in the U.S. military go around chucking hand-grenades into innocent muslim nurseries.

Where do you get your information? How much pot did you have to smoke before you thought the U.S. of A was purposely going around smoking out civilians. Did you ignore the fact that your fellow muslims were using these civilians as shields? My own brother personally helped liberate civilians, and then recieved news of their butchering by these extremeist scum bags. You insult the very sacrifice I cannot help but see.

For instance: a mother and her young daughter approach my brother and thank him for enabling her to go to school every day. One day, while he's there, he gets word that the little girl's head has been removed from her body. Now, who is the villian here? WHO? WTF?

"Oh and check the media outside the US, you'll find everyone else runs when the US forces are around."

--The greatest of compliments, I only wish it were true.


No, they (the enemy) only run when the Marines, Seals, or Rangers are around. For everyone else they take their sweet time making their lives miserable (ever seen blackhawk down? Marines use that for inspiration.)

Of course, with your friends spreading lies like the propaganda that Marines have to kill a family member to become a Marine, it's not hard to see why they might be as scared as they are.

The fact of the matter is I've seen what good men and women do in the U.S. military, I know them very well. You on the other hand have the need to invent a false reality, you have the need to take isolated incidents, or casualties never desired by anyone with brass, and blow them way out of proportion. You need to create an image where there isn't one, or else, how can you rest easy with what or who you are?

Civilians don't run from U.S. military, the custom is generally to embrace them. This has been proved again and again and again: in france, in italy, in iraq, in korea, even in vietnam. There is a distinct difference between enemy combatants and civilians, and no nation, no power, has been more keen or more introspective in how they deal with this issue. No other military in the world has had to deal with has much hazard caused by enemy combatants pretending to be civilians, and for the most part, with the exception of a few isolated incidents, Americans have rose to the occasion to show that we are a self-governed people who grow in the soil of liberty, morality, and law.

My whole point was that we are purposely dropping bombs on buildings we know have innocent people in it.

And yes, there is a high proportion of American "blue on blue" situations with both other American forces and coalition forces. There is, yes sometimes cases in which British or other coalition forces do similar things, but it is extremely rare and is not a weekly event.

"For Us forces murdering British soldiers and nothing happens is bullshit."

No its not bullshit, there was even footage of it happening, got leaked into the media, got suspended for a few months; back on active duty.

"People run away when the US forces are around?"

Sorry, I was referring to coalition soldiers. The Dutch advises its soldiers to scatter immediately whenever American forces are around, as they usually get bombed (despite clearly being coalition forces).

Sorry kids, but you simply have to face it, your media does not tell the same story as European, Middle Eastern, Asian and African news. The entire old world cannot be completely wrong, and the footage our combined media broadcasts cannot be all fake.

"Of course, with your friends spreading lies like the propaganda that Marines have to kill a family member to become a Marine, it's not hard to see why they might be as scared as they are."

That is the first I have ever heard of that, so I really don't know what your on about, sorry.

"The fact of the matter is I've seen what good men and women do in the U.S. military, I know them very well."

I truly believe you I'm sure they exist. The fact is though, bad men and women are also in the military, and the events that aspire when they are put on the front lines is extremely different to the experiences I'm sure the soldiers you know have told you.

"No other military in the world has had to deal with has much hazard caused by enemy combatants pretending to be civilians"

Oh what a crock of shit. Its an occupation, the opposition IS civilians, and the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan is not the first military event in history. Even the Roman Empire had to deal with a lot heavier insurgents than the US, and that was 2000 years ago.

Acebloke wrote:

My whole point was that we are purposely dropping bombs on buildings we know have innocent people in it.

Well that may be true or not. We don't know for sure unless you can provide a link where they admitted they knew.

And yes, there is a high proportion of American "blue on blue" situations with both other American forces and coalition forces. There is, yes sometimes cases in which British or other coalition forces do similar things, but it is extremely rare and is not a weekly event.

What you expect when the US forces have more forces over there. Like I said earlier other countries dont have the same equipment as us. So their positions are not always known. You do know people do missions that are kept secret?

No its not bullshit, there was even footage of it happening, got leaked into the media, got suspended for a few months; back on active duty.

Provide a link

Sorry, I was referring to coalition soldiers. The Dutch advises its soldiers to scatter immediately whenever American forces are around, as they usually get bombed (despite clearly being coalition forces).

Well that says alot about the Dutch. You actually think the US are going to bomb their own troops?

Sorry kids, but you simply have to face it, your media does not tell the same story as European, Middle Eastern, Asian and African news. The entire old world cannot be completely wrong, and the footage our combined media broadcasts cannot be all fake.

I don't need the media to know what goes on over there. I was there and have many friends tell me their experiences. What makes a better story US forces building schools or US forces supposedly killing civilians. One good deed will go unnoticed but one bad one will be remembered forever.

I truly believe you I'm sure they exist. The fact is though, bad men and women are also in the military, and the events that aspire when they are put on the front lines is extremely different to the experiences I'm sure the soldiers you know have told you.

There are bad people all over the world. I'm sure the Brits have their share of them.


Like i said before you will never truely understand unless you've been there.