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 Mar 4 2009, 12:02 pm
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It might just occur to me but anyone else "ticked" at the new Byond Hubs. It does save size but to me it's a little messy, no, not at all a Lot messy. Just roaming some problems with byond here. Problem number dos (two), submitting games to guilds. Well, as I remember I submitted my old hub of CW to many guilds which included, My life as a Killer, Original Gaming Domain, and many others I don't remember. Now it says [Guild Name] will not accept this. It could be that they shut game submissions off, but I seriously doubt Chris or Killer would have the time to do that. Anyone agree with this complaints?
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People crying for the sake of crying.
There is nothing messy about it. What was messy was going to a page, seeing options squished up on the top right corner, an assload of information I don't give a damn about in the centre and all the live games hidden down the bottom. The old style was painful, this one, is a single mouse click on some very easy to read tabs to get to a desired destination. Stop whining. | |
Just to be safe I checked to make sure submissions still fully work--thankfully they do. One of the new features I forgot to mention in the news post the other day is that if a guild rejects a game that was submitted, it now stays rejected unless the guild owner adds it to the listings manually. I thought maybe this could have messed something up, but I'm seeing no evidence that it did. From what I can see, submissions are still working.
It's more likely that guilds may be showing up in your submittable list that may not actually accept a submission from you, but I can't confirm that without knowing which guilds show up in your list. What I can confirm is that your game has not been rejected from any guilds yet. As for any messiness of the hub entries, remember we're still working on finalizing those. The new design is in flux and we are listening to developers' concerns. If you have specific points of contention I'd be happy to give them a ponder. | |
Tiberath wrote:
People crying for the sake of crying. You're starting to sound like: "I like it, so everyone who doesn't like it is a moron." Sorry, that's not how the world works. If you like it, then great. But don't be trying to tell everyone else off just because they don't agree with you. | |
@Ollyseeya
Not to start a flame war here. But, I never said anything about changing anything. I simply asked a Question which can be answers with a 2 or 3 lettered word, Yes or No. I seriously don't care if they change anything or everything. As Lummox said the hubs are still in production. Don't be so quick to assume I was asking to "Change" anything. @Tib Think of it as an open minded suggestion. :) | |
@Foomer:
There seems to be one solid fact on BYOND at present: People only dislike things because they hate change. Regardless of how logical the change is, people will still complain about it "because it isn't the old way". And it's starting to get on my nerves. The argument has nothing to do with "people who don't agree with me are stupid", it's more: "people who can't accept change are stupid". If the world (IE: BYOND) can't accept change, then the world (ie: BYOND) needs to wake up and smell the roses. | |
@Tiberath:
I haven't heard anyone posting "OMG you changed the hub! How could you?". People have legitimate concerns, and having you telling people to "stop whining" ads nothing to the discussion. | |
What are you talking about?! Speak for yourself when you state that Opinion. It ticks me off when people make the assumption and say "people".
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Foomer wrote:
@Tiberath: Adding fuel to the oxygen doesn't make the fire go away. I do agree, sorry to double post I just don't like editing my own post. But yes Tiberath you do put on the atitude that it is my way or the highway. Not to be a Co-signer here. But, I wasn't whining I was stating my opinions about the new hubs. | |
It's your own blog, you're quite free to spam the crap out of it if it's your desire. We sure as hell can't stop you. So apologies for double posting isn't necessary.
"Adding fuel to the oxygen doesn't make the fire go away" also doesn't make sense. The proverb is "adding fuel to the fire" or "fanning the flames". As putting wood/petrol on a fire will make it larger. And fanning flames of a large enough fire is pushing more oxygen into it for it to burn stronger. Further more, my attitude is always taken as aggressive. It's the way I am and I doubt I'll change it any time soon. I took your opinion on the hub page being messy as just whining. Using these facts as my base: "it's a lot messy" isn't exactly a stunning statement of brilliance. The hub page design is still being tweaked so it's not the complete version and no suggestion was offered to improve it. Without a suggestion of improvement or a base for the accusation, "it's just messy" is a pointless statement that can't be used to improve anything. Thus, it's nothing but a baseless complaint, ergo: Whining. As you can clearly see: I read very deeply into everything. Take no offence to it. No one is safe. @Foomer: I consider legitimate concerns to be asking questions about the functionality or making statements and offering up suggestions for improvement. Baseless complains are about pointless as putting a firework in your own mailbox. As you can see, if you read my original post again, the only focus of my comment is on the statements "it's just messy". The second problem was a legitimate concern about the new game submission functionality and I left that alone. So it's clear your idea and my idea of a legitimate concern are quite different. | |
Troy1121 wrote:
Do you know what Whining is? Whining: 5. a feeble, peevish complaint. This description is made of up "Feeble", "Peevish" and "Complaint". Feeble: 4. lacking in force, strength, or effectiveness: feeble resistance; feeble arguments. Peevish: 2. showing annoyance, irritation, or bad mood: a peevish reply; a peevish frown. Complaint: 1. an expression of discontent, regret, pain, censure, resentment, or grief; lament; fault-finding: his complaint about poor schools. -- Feeble, lacking in strength: "It's just messy". Peevish: "Is anyone else ticked?" Complaint: "No, not at all, it's a lot messy". -- I think I'm pretty covered on word definitions today. Cheers. =) | |
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong
Problem #1: I wasn't very peevish about the change of the hubs. As I stated before I really don't care, it is DanTom's site not mine. I asked is anyone ticked, yes I did but if you can read I said "I really didn't care". At first I was ticked but my tone changed as I came to see that it is still in progress. Problem #2: I didn't make a complaint I have been stated that is was a suggestion. If I say something is messy it is short for "clean it up". It's very obvious, if you can read more than I can write. CASE CLOSED [As a court judge would say]! | |
I wasn't very peevish about the change of the hubs. "Worse", "Ticked". As I stated before I really don't care You stated that in comments AFTER I had made my initial comment, not in the blog post itself. If you really don't care, you wouldn't have written the post in the style you did. Problem #2: I didn't make a complaint I have been stated that is was a suggestion. "Anyone agree with this complaints?" Your blog post words speak louder than you do, sir. -- "It's messy" is about as useful to a website designer as "I like puppies", because it doesn't say what particular part is messy and what can be done to clean it up. A website designer will see the logic in what they've created because they know how it works and what everything does. Simply saying "It's messy" could refer to what? The background colour doesn't match the text? The tabs aren't in a logical order? The description is cut off too early? The page flickers every time you click a tab? What about it is messy? Not to mention that something can appear to be messy on one internet browser and yet be absolutely stunning in another. The hardest thing about website design is making sure the website looks the same in all browsers. And believe me, it's near impossible. | |
Okay you can stop bickering about it. How about "The layout is ugly and messy"?
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See Tiberath's comment:
"It's messy" is about as useful to a website designer as "I like puppies", because it doesn't say what particular part is messy and what can be done to clean it up. "Ugly and messy" doesn't get it done. I'll be happy to discuss specific criticisms if you have any. | |
I think you'll like the next iteration of the hub (due out Friday). Lummox & I took into consideration many of the points raised by users here, deliberated quite a bit, and settled on something we both liked. He also implemented some really nifty display tricks that I haven't seen before.
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I know much people like the idea of having "tabs". But you still need to clean up the colors you have for the hub, since they look a little dull. This is not a part of critism but otherwise than saving space why did you change the old hub layout, it was pretty neat and nice. Back to critism, Lummox regarding the CSS once again I don't like the light blue when you press Overview. Not much crit execpt the CSS, but i'm pretty sure I could help overtime.
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And as for the new hub page thing I don't see a problem with it. I remember when BYOND rolled out the new main-pages, and graphics look that allot of people didn't like them. But as time goes on you either get used to it and not care, or still don't like it and have to deal with it. You gotta see it in the bigger picture that BYOND won't simply give in to a few out of how many complaining about it, Troy.