There could be aliens, but then again everything people claim to have seen fall from space and covered up may have just as well been a military aircraft. It would make sense they would cover-up malfunctioning technology and not allow anyone to get too close. I believe in life on other planets as much as you alien-lovers...But super-advanced little green men isn't my thing. I think more along the lines of alien fish or alien cows out there on some planet we can barely view through a telescope. The odds are astronomical that they would be human-level smart, let alone smart enough to create some type of inter-stellar craft. Media played a big role in alien skeptics too, the movies had already spooked people enough into fearing everything in the sky. Seriously, only the highest government officials can say if we're stupid or if what we're saying actually holds some merit, their call not ours. So hush, government tools.
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1947?
1971? 1977? Video wasn't introduced until 1986. The clip was originally film according to Victor, the man who released it (he says he took it after it was converted to digital video disks), meaning it had to have been made before 1986 (though we can see that's not true). | |
I would also just like to mention this: why is it that in every case where we have a live alien being talked to, it's always through a TELEPATH?
Is this because if the alien were to move it's mouth, we could obviously see it's just an animatronic? Is this because the doll is just incapable of talking? I noticed that their mouths just hang open throughout the entire time we see them. I mean, do you seriously believe we have telepaths having conversations with aliens? That isn't enough to tell you "this is definitely not real."? | |
DarkView wrote:
The light stuff has to be the kicker. Turn the lights off in a highly secret military installation? No way. As far back as they've had this sort of video technology they've had tinted eye-wear. There, happy? It no longer mentions the 80's. Although if I were you I'd want it to be set around then. Once you get later than that cameras can see clearly in almost full black. As far as lighting and comfort, it's never stated how light discomforts them, to what extent it affects the interview process, or even the method used. You assume it blinds them, but many people claim these beings have plant-like biology. For all you know, bright florescent lights could make them ill. Ok. So it's allergic to light. Space travel and Earth are BAD CHOICES. Especially when you're traveling buck naked. Maybe it's suit was destroyed during the crash it survived without a scratch? Then throw a coat over it! These are plausible reasons why it wouldn't enjoy sunlight but they're not good reasons to shut off the lights completely. If that were the case, it means that rather than adding 'because the aliens are ... to sunlight' he opted for the dramatic pause. He obviously knows that it will be pointed to as a flaw in the tape, but he feels that vague factoids will help convince people that the tape he risked his life to obtain is legit a lot more than detailed explanations of the flaws. For all you know, bright florescent lights could make them ill. For all I know. You on the other hand have 400 people with first hand interaction. You should KNOW florescent lights make them ill. You shouldn't be dealing with 'some experts believe...' type statements and theories when it comes to simple questions like this because all your experts should have the same answer. As for the doctors, the guy states they weren't well trained, and barely competent. So the guy who believes anyone with money or success if evil doesn't believe they could find a doctor who is both competent and willing to lie? I'm not saying I expect experts on alien biology or anything, but they aren't doing anything. They're just poking it and flashing it with lights as they wiggle the head around to make it look alive. Oh wait I know, they're psychic surgeons. It's not a great excuse but the video doesn't specifically say they aren't so it's good enough. This is just like the 'the lighting is for the aliens comfort' comment. It's a quick excuse to cover up an obvious flaw in the tape. Either way, fake or real, the governments of the world ... Well that's convenient. The evidence starts going south and suddenly your distancing yourself from 'the closest you'll probably ever get to [a legit tape]'. There's more than enough people from all nations and walks of life reporting this to dismiss it as some sort of mass hysteria or continuous and perpetual hoax. When you've got people who desperately want proof of alien life and are willing to pay quite well for it there are always going to be hoaxes. I'm fairly confident that with the help of two, maybe three, friends I could get something better than this together with nothing more than a few nights prep work and an afternoon of shooting. I actually threw around the idea of making one for fun, but I know that even if I included a making of video with it I'd eventually be sitting somewhere like this trying to explain to someone that the alien was just a balloon filled with worms. but if Fox News anchors tell you the same thing, it's true. Where did you get this idea that we all love Fox News? I don't think we even get it here in Australia (we get Fox Entertainment news which is just holywood gossip, but that's it). I'd be willing to bet most people in this discussion would go out of their way not to watch it. Maybe the key is flashy intro graphics and dramatic music. You do realize the altered voice commentary is the pie graph of the conspiracy world? You yourself said the reason you like this video so much is because it's 'creepy'. It's not even a good hoax but it has a creepy vibe about it so you're on board. (Seriously, who would feel safe going into a studio to record a voice-over for a UFO special hosted by some random D-grade celebrity? I guess they must think it's really important to add small bits of irrelevant information like 'the glass is bio safety level 2', the most official bio safety level of them all). | |
Keeth wrote:
1947? Fail. But thanks for playing. The video was introduced in 1997. The clip was originally film according to Victor, the man who released it (he says he took it after it was converted to digital video disks), meaning it had to have been made before 1986 (though we can see that's not true). Yes, we can see that's not true, because the story behind the video states the alien was captured in 1989. The video was probably made in 1990, transfered to digital media in the mid nineties and leaked around 1996 or so, making television by 1997. | |
Xooxer wrote:
Video wasn't introduced until 1986. He means video as a medium. Not this specific video. | |
Keeth wrote:
I would also just like to mention this: why is it that in every case where we have a live alien being talked to, it's always through a TELEPATH? Maybe they failed their English exams? Everyone I've read who claims to have contact says they communicate this way. Any video that features a talking alien would go against the rest of the UFO research done thus far. Is this because if the alien were to move it's mouth, we could obviously see it's just an animatronic? No, but if it's obvious to you, you have better eyes than professional special effects artists. No experts have concluded whether this is real or fake. Oh, they have their opinions, but so do we all. There's just not enough to go on to make a clear decision. I noticed that their mouths just hang open throughout the entire time we see them. No, you can clearly see in this video the mouth does move. It even drools, as you pointed out. I mean, do you seriously believe we have telepaths having conversations with aliens? Yep. That isn't enough to tell you "this is definitely not real."? Nope. Oh, now you're going to say you don't think telepathy is real? There's no physical laws stating it's impossible. You think flapping meat is the highest form of communication nature can conceive? How quaint. | |
DarkView wrote:
Xooxer wrote: No, he means that this video can't be taped, because it came out before tapes were made. He never said anything about "mediums", whatever that's supposed to mean. Videotape was well established by 1990, well within the range of plausibility. His effort was to try and use some lame youtube comment as some foundation for his argument that the original video was filmed, not taped. An allegation that is not only unfounded, by downright ignorant, considering his source. I mean, come on. You can do better than youtube comments. At least friggen TRY. | |
DarkView wrote:
DarkView wrote: Uh huh. I think I'll stick with the real dates, thanks. You know, so nobody can claim I'm ignoring evidence in favor of my own viewpoint. Speculating about giving the alien sunglasses as some sort of requirement for this to be authentic is laughable. Really. lol Ok. So it's allergic to light. Space travel and Earth are BAD CHOICES. Wrong. You didn't listen at all. Especially when you're traveling buck naked. Maybe it's suit was destroyed during the crash it survived without a scratch? Then throw a coat over it! Oh, now they travel naked, do they? Maybe it's suit was confiscated. Any competent warden wouldn't let an unknown item like that remain in the captor's possession. That's just asking for trouble. These are plausible reasons why it wouldn't enjoy sunlight but they're not good reasons to shut off the lights completely. Nobody said anything about sunlight. You're building straw men so you can burn them down because you have no real argument to give. If that were the case, it means that rather than adding 'because the aliens are ... to sunlight' he opted for the dramatic pause. Oh, so drama is the culprit now. I thought it was sunlight.... He obviously knows that it will be pointed to as a flaw in the tape, but he feels that vague factoids will help convince people that the tape he risked his life to obtain is legit a lot more than detailed explanations of the flaws. What flaws? I see no flaws in his story or the tape. These flaws are in your head, and by the looks of it, you're trying very hard to make a coherent argument out of them. For all you know, bright florescent lights could make them ill. Oh yes, because I just happen to have aliens laying around here I can ask. "So, Mr. Alien, I heard u you like mudkips." And yeah, these 400 people all know everything about all of the cover-up, including the little-known factoid that aliens like green lime jello. Make some sense man. You shouldn't be dealing with 'some experts believe...' type statements and theories when it comes to simple questions like this because all your experts should have the same answer. Oh, now aliens epidermic system as it related to natural and artificial light is a simple question. Holy crap. If that's simple, what's hard? Yeah, I should have all the answers all the time, or none. Is that it? All or nothing? As for the doctors, the guy states they weren't well trained, and barely competent. Again, straw men. I don't believe people with money or success are evil. I think people that commit mass murder are evil. People that torture people are evil. People that kill innocent civilians to further their own goals are evil. Evil is evil, not money. Money is just a tool for acquiring possessions. Sometimes it's used for good, sometimes it's used for ill. Like everything else, it's relative to the intent of the user. I'm not saying I expect experts on alien biology or anything, but they aren't doing anything. They're just poking it and flashing it with lights as they wiggle the head around to make it look alive. Victor says what they're doing. Oh, but he's all shadowy, so he must be wrong. It makes more sense to believe these people were just random nobodies who are in on the hoax, yet can't even act well enough to portray convincing medical staff in a 2 minute film. If it was a hoax, don't you'd think you'd see more than flashlights? I do. I think a hoaxer would pull out a stethoscope, since that would be the first thing any competent medical person wanting to diagnose a situation regarding breathing would use. Oh wait I know, they're psychic surgeons. It's not a great excuse but the video doesn't specifically say they aren't so it's good enough. No such thing as psychic surgery. Unless you count removing intelligence from people's mind through their wallets. This is just like the 'the lighting is for the aliens comfort' comment. It's a quick excuse to cover up an obvious flaw in the tape. Excuse. Flaw. More straws for your man, Dark? Either way, fake or real, the governments of the world ... The evidence never went south, your argument did. Oh, unless making assumptions you can more easily tear down instead of arguing the original point is your definition of bringing it down. When you've got people who desperately want proof of alien life and are willing to pay quite well for it there are always going to be hoaxes. If you get money involved, anything is possible. I guess that means anything that has to do with money must be a scam, because money is evil, and truth would be tax-free and BOGOF. I'm fairly confident that with the help of two, maybe three, friends I could get something better than this together with nothing more than a few nights prep work and an afternoon of shooting. I'm sure you can't. Good luck on that, though. I actually threw around the idea of making one for fun, but I know that even if I included a making of video with it I'd eventually be sitting somewhere like this trying to explain to someone that the alien was just a balloon filled with worms. Funny, in all the time this has been out, nobody has claimed to have been the hoaxers, or involved in any way with hoaxing it. Maybe that's because there are no hoaxers? If someone came forward and claimed that they made this in their basement, or were involved in making it (at least 4 people had to have been involved, most likely 10 or more for something this elaborate), there'd be a tidal wave of skeptics showing us all how wrong it is. but if Fox News anchors tell you the same thing, it's true. I get the idea from your inability to think. Your generic and spoon-fed ideas about things, and your attitude towards anything that you might consider "dangerous thought". I mean, if it walks like a nazi and hiels like a nazi... Maybe the key is flashy intro graphics and dramatic music. The man's name is Robert Dean, if that makes you feel any better. There's, veil removed. You yourself said the reason you like this video so much is because it's 'creepy'. It's not even a good hoax but it has a creepy vibe about it so you're on board. Yep. I think it's real because it's not a good hoax, yet is still very eerie and believable. A hoax would look more like someone wanted to get proof of it. A bad hoax would have real flaws, obvious fakery and camera tricks to cover it's lack of realism. This just shows it. It doesn't try to convince you, it doesn't use any weird camera tricks and doesn't contain anything that clearly shows it's a fake. (Seriously, who would feel safe going into a studio to record a voice-over for a UFO special hosted by some random D-grade celebrity? Someone who tried many times to get the interview aired, and finally found a small video company that would reluctantly publish it. I guess they must think it's really important to add small bits of irrelevant information like 'the glass is bio safety level 2', the most official bio safety level of them all). Yes, because how the alien is being kept is soooo irrelevant. Wow. When do you start thinking? Please let me know so I can be prepared for your awe-inspiring mental and deductive prowess. | |
Are you really trying to argue the validity of that video? The head moves as if it were being controlled by strings. When the narrator says it goes into distress, it's just jerking motions of up and down.
The face makes not movement what so ever. The eyes do not blink, the mouth does not move until after apparent death (mind you, any being in distress would make full use of their body to make it noticed). Then there's the obvious question of the lighting. Why is it so dark? To comfort him? Okay, then lets remove the straps on his arms. Why not use night vision? These things do not add up. I found this post semi-intelligent when I came in, but now it's an argument over a youtube video. Honestly, do you think if this were a real video that the government of any nation would allow it to remain on youtube? Do you think they wouldn't know it's there with systems like ECHELON in place to view these things? Fix the holes in your argument and I'll return to reply. And please, don't give any half-assed replies like you've done with DarkView and Keeth. Addressing all of the points as opposed to just the ones you can defend would make this a more valid argument. | |
AnNoYaNcE.FaCtOr wrote:
Are you really trying to argue the validity of that video? The head moves as if it were being controlled by strings. When the narrator says it goes into distress, it's just jerking motions of up and down. Like I've already stated, the video can't be verified one way or another. Defending it as absolutely real or absolutely fake is pointless and futile. I do believe it's real, for the reasons I've already stated here, however, as I've stated before, I don't know. I can speculate, however, and my speculations seem to go unaddressed in favor of weak arguments involving sunglasses and strawmen. The face makes not movement what so ever. The eyes do not blink, the mouth does not move until after apparent death (mind you, any being in distress would make full use of their body to make it noticed). It's an alien. It's not human. Why should it have facial muscles that would move? Most animals do not. We do because we're apes. Are you suggesting these are apes too? And there' no death here. Not sure where you get your facts, but they're wrong. Then there's the obvious question of the lighting. Why is it so dark? To comfort him? Okay, then lets remove the straps on his arms. Why not use night vision? Why use night vision? You're making assumptions again. You assume they are trying to prove it exists with this video. They aren't. The people who made the video don't need to prove it, they have the friggen alien. And not securing it would be stupid. We handcuff and shackle criminal prisoners for the same reason, so they don't harm themselves or others. These things do not add up. Maybe you should pay more attention in math class then. I found this post semi-intelligent when I came in, but now it's an argument over a youtube video. An argument Keeth and his kind are obsessed with, even though all their arguments fall through with any intelligent investigation. Honestly, do you think if this were a real video that the government of any nation would allow it to remain on youtube? Yep. Removing it at this point would only add to it's mystique. Since there's no real information being leaked, and many people assume it's fake, there's no need for anyone to do anything about it. Like the 9/11 skeptics, you do your owners bidding for them. Do you think they wouldn't know it's there with systems like ECHELON in place to view these things? Of course they know it's there. I'm sure they get a chuckle from reading the mountain of stupidity people post about it. Fix the holes in your argument and I'll return to reply. Since no holes exist, I guess we won't be hearing from you. And please, don't give any half-assed replies like you've done with DarkView and Keeth. I put my full ass behind each and every reply. Addressing all of the points as opposed to just the ones you can defend would make this a more valid argument. Oh, like you've all done so far? If anyone is overlooking points, it's not me. Read through again. I've addressed each point you've all brought up. You can't say the same. | |
Xooxer wrote:
Speculating about giving the alien sunglasses as some sort of requirement for this to be authentic is laughable. Really. lol All I'm saying is that if I was in charge of this facility I could have improvised a solution that left the lights on, the video clear and the alien comfotable. I'm doubt I'm any better at problem solving than the staff of a secret government and/or military installation. I mention sunglasses because it's probably the simplest solution. Aliens eyes don't respond well to light? Get a flight helmet, crack it open, and you've got a visor that would fit on this head. It doesn't like light on any of it's body? It wouldn't be hard to make a suit that completely covers it while still letting it see out. Ok. So it's allergic to light. Space travel and Earth are BAD CHOICES. What am I missing here? There's tons of sunlight both in space and on Earth. Not a good choice for someone who doesn't like light. Especially when you're traveling buck naked. Maybe it's suit was destroyed during the crash it survived without a scratch? Then throw a coat over it! Yeah. That's fair enough. I wouldn't be letting it walk around in it's suit. Of course this warden is thinking more about it's comfort than security, because it's turning the lights off so it can remain comfortable. These are plausible reasons why it wouldn't enjoy sunlight but they're not good reasons to shut off the lights completely. My mistake. I meant light. The word sunlight came because you were talking about plantlike biology and it was fresh in my head. Still, my argument had nothing to do with sunlight it had to do with turning the lights off. I'll admit it's irrelevant though. This isn't an alien it's a puppet and the lights are off to hide that (which I guess counts as making the puppet more comfortable). If it was a real alien it would be very uncomfortable regardless of the light. If that were the case, it means that rather than adding 'because the aliens are ... to sunlight' he opted for the dramatic pause. Well you have sort of turned to drama with your last reply. I'm saying this is one of many culprits. It's not my fault if this tape is full of mistakes. These flaws are in your head, and by the looks of it, you're trying very hard to make a coherent argument out of them. So you're saying there is nothing wrong with any of this? They're using production quality lighting techniques to make sure that his head is well lit but the rest remains almost invisible and that's not a flaw. For all I know. You on the other hand have 400 people with first hand interaction. You should KNOW florescent lights make them ill. Well what exactly are these people testifying to? What's being done with their testimony? Are they documenting their experiences or just saying 'yeah I agree that aliens exist'? Of those 400 people, at least some should have had direct contact. Those with direct contact would know, this sort of alien is harmed by the light. By comparing the experiences of 400 people you should be able to gather basic information. If for instance the aliens have noses, you should be able to gather that as a fact. That would instantly knockout hundreds of hoax tapes. Do they have facial muscle? Eyelids? That sort of stuff. All encounters should match, giving definitive answers to those questions. Oh, now aliens epidermic system as it related to natural and artificial light is a simple question. Holy crap. If that's simple, what's hard? Yeah, I should have all the answers all the time, or none. Is that it? All or nothing? Does it die in the light? Does it squint in the light? Does it back away from the light? Does it get sick in the light? All questions you have answers to after keeping it locked up, in the light, for a day. If this was real I'd expect your experts to be able to shed some light on this even if they couldn't explain complex stuff like how it worked. So the guy who believes anyone with money or success if evil doesn't believe they could find a doctor who is both competent and willing to lie? Ok, whatever you say. Your blog seems to say otherwise, but it's beside the point. The point is that you're suggesting they couldn't get someone both competent and willing to lie to do the job. They had to get what is essentially dumb muscle. I'm not saying I expect experts on alien biology or anything, but they aren't doing anything. They're just poking it and flashing it with lights as they wiggle the head around to make it look alive. Who is Victor? The guy talking? They're checking for hemeraging are they? For twenty seconds, after that they just poke it and wiggle the head. Even a dentist wouldn't take that long. yet can't even act well enough to portray convincing medical staff in a 2 minute film. If it was a hoax, don't you'd think you'd see more than flashlights? I do. I think a hoaxer would pull out a stethoscope, since that would be the first thing any competent medical person wanting to diagnose a situation regarding breathing would use. So it's so fake it has to be real? They were probably well aware of the fact they don't know jack about medical procedures, so they went with just basic probing knowing they'd cover it by saying they weren't top-notch medical staff. This is just like the 'the lighting is for the aliens comfort' comment. It's a quick excuse to cover up an obvious flaw in the tape. How is that a strawman argument? Whether you think it's real or fake he's obviously covering problems people will see with his voice-over. You've quoted him yourself several times. He is excusing stuff he knows will be a problem. He just doesn't provide good enough excuses for me. Either way, fake or real, the governments of the world ... The original point? What is that? You fail to commit to any point. I'm pointing out things that don't make sense to me. You're giving me 'some experts think...' responses then claim I'm building strawmen when ever I give reasons why your educated guesses don't excuse the parts that don't make sense to me. I actually threw around the idea of making one for fun, but I know that even if I included a making of video with it I'd eventually be sitting somewhere like this trying to explain to someone that the alien was just a balloon filled with worms. Well maybe they don't care if people believe it? I'd only claim it was mine because I wouldn't want people thinking it was real. There are heaps of reasons why someone would fake it and let everyone believe it was real. They probably made money selling the footage to the TV show it was on and didn't care after that. Heck, it was probably made by the people who made the show. If someone came forward and claimed that they made this in their basement, or were involved in making it (at least 4 people had to have been involved, most likely 10 or more for something this elaborate), there'd be a tidal wave of skeptics showing us all how wrong it is. What are the jobs for those 10 people? Where did that number come from? It's got no sound. A single, fixed camera. Three, maybe four actors (I'm still not convinced the guy who comes from behind the camera was shot with the rest). The way the aliens face was lit could easily be fixed, but it's a potential job. I'd place one of the doctors as the puppeteer, but it could be yet another person. That's what, six people. What's elaborate about it? Making the puppet and lighting it properly are the hardest parts, and they're nothing special. The alien doesn't have hair, it's face doesn't do anything more than a moving jaw. but if Fox News anchors tell you the same thing, it's true. I believed all this stuff when I was a kid. I would love it if it was true. I started paying attention to what I was watching and realised it was all crap. It broke my heart but try as I might I just couldn't overlook the problems with all these videos no matter how much I loved the concept. You're the only one who thinks this is 'dangerous thought'. That's why you like it so much. You're the rebel, you're the dangerous loner. You're the free-mind. Xooxer the Prophet. You're calling me a nazi because I'm the biggest opponent you face and I'm just a guy responding in his spare time. If it wasn't for the fact you present yourself as superior for believing this junk I don't think even I would bother. Real dangerous stuff. Maybe the key is flashy intro graphics and dramatic music. So you're admitting it was only there for show? They didn't actually hide his identity? I guess they must think it's really important to add small bits of irrelevant information like 'the glass is bio safety level 2', the most official bio safety level of them all). So 'bio safety level 2' gave you some idea of how the alien is being kept? They were keeping an alien in bio containment. How ground-breaking. I'm glad he addressed that pressing issue rather than giving us information about the alien, why it was being kept, how they came into possession of it, what information they were hoping to obtain before the interview went bad. Please don't just say 'wrong' or 'strawman' when/if you reply. Tell me what is wrong, or what exactly I'm making up to prove wrong. If I've been burning strawmen you've been building them. | |
I'm not going to bother replying to this all right now, since I have to leave for work in a bit, but let me just say that these strawmen are yours. You seem to lack any real understanding of even basic concepts like the difference between bright florescent lighting and sunlight. You say it's a puppet, yet there is no evidence to suggest this, other than lack of clear evidence that it is authentic.
You come at this with assumptions and your own tinted view that it must be fake, so all your arguments start from this position. You've grabbed into this one piece, a single video, ignoring the mountain of testimony this post was originally about. You can't argue with these people's testimony. Doing so would be a challenge you're unwilling, or incapable of making, so Keeth prodded for more info, looking for something he could more easily poke holes in. You've derailed the whole topic, as AnnoyanceFactor stated, taking what was originally an intelligent conversation and turning it into a pissing contest about one aspect of one piece of one reply that in fact has little to do with the original topic. I've already addressed all your points, pointed out your assumptions that built these straw men, and quite thoroughly tore them down for you. If you want to continue coming at me from ignorance, I don't see any reason to entertain anything you have to say. | |
Xooxer wrote:
You say it's a puppet, yet there is no evidence to suggest this, other than lack of clear evidence that it is authentic. lol? | |
There is evidence that it is a pupet. The movement, the facial structures, the dark light, that's all evidence. As for the lighting, if florescent is bad for them, couldn't they just get a non florescent light? It's not like it's impossible to buy a non florescent light.
As for "these people's testimony" you have yet to link us to these people's testimony. On top of that, anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it true. Science does not work that way. The fact that you believed that video despite the mention of use of telepaths(WHICH DO NOT EXIST) makes me not believe anything you say. You can claim you don't care if we wont bother to search for the evidence ourselves, but you posted it here, which tells me you want to 'spread the word', yet anytime we deny anything you say, you claim we are ignorant people raised by a global media with an agenda. I'll have you know that I don't watch the news. I'm an atheist in the South. I don't follow social norms. I just so happen to be a skeptic, so I don't easily believe what I am told. | |
AnNoYaNcE.FaCtOr wrote:
Xooxer wrote: In other words, his argument has been the equivalent of saying 'since we can't be sure something is real or not, it must therefore logically be fake'. It's a false assumption, and no basis for any logical argument. | |
Danial.Beta wrote:
There is evidence that it is a pupet. I see no wires, strings, machinations of any sort that would lead me to suspect that it is a puppet. The movement, "It moves weird, so it must be a puppet, because aliens would move like we do, because everyone knows aliens are really humans just making believe...." Unless you are willing to actually analyze it to determine, or at least [i]link[/i] to some analysis that shows evidence that the movement could be the work of puppetry, you have nothing but opinion. There's a ton of info out there on this video from both sides, with experts from both camps giving their professional opinions about it. But no, you can't be bothered to even try. Well, why should I? I'm not posting this to make you believe anything. Like I told Keeth, go believe what you want. It really makes no difference to me. the facial structures, How is that now? That doesn't look like the facial structure of any puppet I've seen. Oh... the mouth opens. It must be fake. Riiiiiight. the dark light, Yeah, I think we went over this. The thing is, you guys aren't even trying. The dark lighting is a weak, weak argument. You know nothing about the lighting, except what you can see here. You didn't take any time to even google this to see if it had already been debunked. You just stole some comment some guy on youtube wrote and heralded it as the divining truth, the key to unraveling the whole mystery. that's all evidence. Nope. It's not. It's barely factual. Hardly comprehensible, and shows quite clearly that what I first wrote was true. You know, that bit where I said it wouldn't matter what I showed you, you'd assume it was fake no matter what it was. Thanks. As for the lighting, if florescent is bad for them, couldn't they just get a non florescent light? It's not like it's impossible to buy a non florescent light. Yeah, and that's probably what they're using. Had you bothered to even look this up, you'd have better questions. Your fixation on the lighting, which isn't even that accurate, since it was filmed behind a two-way mirror (you'd have known this too had you even tried debunking this instead of relying on some random youtube comment). That cuts some of the light from reaching the camera. Also, low light recording is notoriously bad on video, so what we're seeing is dark, but it's not the pitch black it seems to be here. As for "these people's testimony" you have yet to link us to these people's testimony. Not true. I linked you to the disclosure project, told you to google video the disclosure project for videos, and even linked you illegally to Steven Greer's private files, which Keeth was too sleepy to read. Go figure. On top of that, anecdotal evidence is not evidence. Just because someone says something, doesn't make it true. Science does not work that way. Ho ho! Science rears it's ugly head. I was wondering how long that would take. You guys are slooooow. This ain't science, brother. It's a call for a congressional investigation. Anecdotal evidence from these people is evidence enough to start an investigation. That's what this is about, not proving to you that we have aliens. No one but your beloved Faux News can convince you, and that won't happen until Congress holds a thorough inquiry into the matter. The fact that you believed that video despite the mention of use of telepaths(WHICH DO NOT EXIST) makes me not believe anything you say. How's that working out for ya? You don't have to believe me one bit. My work is long done here. I just want you to remember this conversation, that's all. You can claim you don't care if we wont bother to search for the evidence ourselves, but you posted it here, which tells me you want to 'spread the word', yet anytime we deny anything you say, you claim we are ignorant people raised by a global media with an agenda. But you are ignorant people raised by a global elite with an agenda. And yeah, if you're going to argue, do so intelligently with more than some random quote from youtube, or I will continue to declare you unfit for debate. I don't think that's too much to ask. I'll have you know that I don't watch the news. I'm an atheist in the South. I don't follow social norms. I just so happen to be a skeptic, so I don't easily believe what I am told. That's great. The world needs skeptics and less religious nuts. But naming yourself doesn't change who you are, how you act or how others see you. It can over time, I suppose, if you are dedicated to change and all that. But ignorance comes in all flavors. Not being religious or fanatic or gullible doesn't make you my ally on any topic. Your mind does, and that's really all I care about. So, how about we try this another way. How about you find someone who has debunked this and use their arguments? Then I might be willing to dedicate more time to this. If you're just going to continue beating this dead horse, you can do so alone. | |
Also, just to point out in case it wasn't already obvious to everyone, we have the ability to see wires and strings in dark lit videos like this one, using computer software to enhance the image and scan for anomalies. It's used quite often to debunk UFO hoaxers, and is a reliable tool for finding out what's unseen in video. If this was a puppet, you should have no trouble at all finding that evidence, since it would be the definitive proof to lay your claim to rest. It would be all over the skeptics websites, probably on snopes as well.
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I would like to discuss movement more, though. I'm sure you can find info on that easy enough as well. Just remember, this is a "supposed" alien, it's being filmed, "allegedly" on earth. You can't really claim that this creature's natural habitat would be earth-like gravity, that it would have evolved to move fluidly and easily in our gravity.
With a head like that, it must be very limiting here. I can imagine just how awkward it could seem to us, and see no reason to think awkward movement alone is enough to mark this with a red flag. | |
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