Oh lord. Is Xooxer one of those Loose Change loonies?
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If you can find a better explanation for why the towers collapsed other than by the use of explosives, that doesn't violate the laws of physics, I'm all ears. The loonies are those who think the official story is true, that fire can bring a building down at free-fall speed exactly the way a controlled demolition does. There's overwhelming proof that explosives were used, including videotape and audio, as well as testimony from rescue workers and witnesses. Of course, they're all crazy too, as are all the recording devices that prove 9/11 was a staged attack.
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That video doesn't really do anything for me.
The old guy is talking about how a guy talked to an alien about why/how they damaged our aircrafts, and insulting the government (and even calling the pilots stupid). That doesn't tell me anything. Gimme some evidence. Gimme the audio files of the conversation between that guy and the alien. Show me the space craft with the magical fields around it. I hope you don't believe aliens exist and it's a government cover-up just by what that guy said. I'm not going to investigate, because I don't care. I don't believe it's a government cover-up, simply because I have no reason to. You want me to believe, you show me. | |
Keeth wrote:
That video doesn't really do anything for me. No. I'm not here to convince you. I'm not going to. If you don't care, don't expect me to. I have nothing to prove to you. If you want proof, it's there. If you want to ignore it, that's your choice. | |
But there isn't proof.
If there was proof, we'd all see it. There'd be people on the news telling us about it. There'd be people all over the world trying to show us. It wouldn't stop and some private gathering where a bunch of people simply talk about things that are completely unfounded (like how the aliens were here to help us, how we had conversations with them, etc). If the proof is so openly available, I should have seen it by now. I don't live under a rock. | |
You must, because it is openly available. Of course, you don't believe crazy old men who tell you the truth, or crazy ex-military old guys who tell you the truth. Unless that truth is already in your world view. There are people on the news telling you about it. There are people all over the world trying to tell you about it. It doesn't end with some small group, they just have the most control over the direct application and interaction.
There is proof, but you don't recognize it because you've been told it's not true, when in fact what you've been told is the lie. | |
I'm not some mindless idiot.
If someone gives me proof of the existence of extra-terrestrials, I'd be happy to believe it. Nobody has done that. The old man is not telling me any truth, what he says means nothing to someone who hasn't heard what he is saying from some other source, which I haven't. I haven't heard a guy talking to aliens about their magic ships, I haven't heard why he thinks the aliens were here to help us. I don't believe in aliens, so why would I believe some guy had a conversation with aliens? Why would I believe this guy knows the aliens are our friends? If you can't provide any type of evidence, why would I believe you? Also, I never mentioned anything about the old man being crazy. I just said what he's saying means nothing to me. | |
Like I said, I'm not here to convince you. I really don't care what you believe. It's your responsibility to keep yourself informed. If you want to wait around like some dumb animal for someone to give you your answers in easy to understand words, you're going to miss out.
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Ok, I'll give you a start. You want the info that Greer has? Fine.
http://disclosureproject.org/access/ user: youhaveaneed pass: toknow | |
It's your responsibility to keep yourself informed. As far as I know, I am informed. It's your job to inform me about things I am unaware of. You can't just say things like "ALIENS EXIST," and when I ask you to prove it, say "FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF." As far as that site goes, I might read it one day. That's way too much text. You should be able to prove aliens exist within atleast 2 or 3 paragraphs. An audio clip or video would be even better. | |
Pictures.
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You...
I... Well, I guess after that whole 9/11 conspiracy debacle, I shouldn't be surprised. But, honestly, I'm SPEECHLESS that one of you ACTUALLY EXIST. I just thought you people were a nonexistant stereotype to be mocked. Just to get it all out on the table: do you believe the moon landing was faked? GODDAMNIT. Your damn blog is conspiring against me using Firefox's spellchecker to correct "nonexistant". What the hell is wrong with it? At this point, I wish I cared enough to remember this stuff for five years so I can laugh in your face. I mean, not that I'm not doing it right now, but in a manner you'd be forced to say, "Well, yeah, I guess I was a complete idiot" to. | |
Xooxer wrote:
these videos aren't of UFOs, they're of government and military officials testifying about what they saw If government and military officials were making statements and testifying about this stuff it would be the official government/military stance. The reason I bring this up isn't to nitpick it's to highlight why I, and I'd wager a lot of other people, don't take your views on this sort of stuff with even a hint of seriousness. You come off like you don't process this information. I get the impression you look at the information in front of you, decide how it applies to what you believe, then point to it as evidence. You don't know thing one about these 'officials' yet here you are parading their testimony as indisputable truth because it goes with what you already believe. Even if this was solid evidence that changed my mind I'd still be laughing at your interpretation of it and your attempt to present it. | |
Pictures.
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Keeth wrote:
It's your responsibility to keep yourself informed. No, it's not. I'm not your sheppard. I don't care if you live on in perpetual ignorance. It's not my life that's being devalued by your ignorance. You can't just say things like "ALIENS EXIST," and when I ask you to prove it, say "FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF." Well, considering any time I provide proof, you dismiss it, I don't really feel compelled to dig up more. As far as that site goes, I might read it one day. Yes, it is. I hope you weren't expecting a picture book with small words.... You should be able to prove aliens exist within atleast 2 or 3 paragraphs. Should I now? That's a mighty tall order. Considering people have written whole books, created full-length documentaries and released years worth of video and photographic evidence on this topic, I don't see how 2 or 3 more paragraphs is going to suddenly convince you. I could link you to a video of an alien interview, complete with living, breathing alien, but you'd dismiss that as well. Nothing I can provide you will convince you until the T.V. says it's ok for you to be convinced. I'll just wait until that happens. It'll be easier for us all. | |
I could link you to a video of an alien interview, complete with living, breathing alien Let's see it. If you can show me that, I'd definitely believe it. | |
Garthor wrote:
You... No, I didn't think anyone would be. This isn't the first time I wrote this article. It's about the 5th revision. I wasn't sure how to say what I wanted, or if I even should say it. In the end, though, I figured there'd be no loss on my part. You all think me nuts anyways. Might as well speak my mind and remove all doubt. But, honestly, I'm SPEECHLESS that one of you ACTUALLY EXIST. I just thought you people were a nonexistant stereotype to be mocked. Just to get it all out on the table: do you believe the moon landing was faked? Certainly not. There's no basis to even think it could have been faked. The work involved to fake it would be nearly as much as to just go there in reality. People who claim it was faked are ignorant of the facts, and certainly haven't taken the time to look into the matter seriously. I mean, it's hard to argue with the scientists when they bounce lasers off a mirror we installed on the surface, that we never actually went there. I do not just believe any old thing that comes along. I don't fully believe everything Greer claims, either. I've seen enough evidence to convince me that what his witnesses are saying is most likely true. To dismiss them is to call into question the competency of your own government, since they represent a large cross section of the government and military complex. These guys were trusted with our nuclear security, but you can't trust them on this? I'd like to see you laugh in their face. I'd pay monies. GODDAMNIT. Your damn blog is conspiring against me using Firefox's spellchecker to correct "nonexistant". What the hell is wrong with it? You're doing it wrong. The proper spelling is "nonexistent", or more properly, non-existent. The 'a' is the problem here, not Firefox's spell checker. Though, I've had issues with it in the past. At this point, I wish I cared enough to remember this stuff for five years so I can laugh in your face. I mean, not that I'm not doing it right now, but in a manner you'd be forced to say, "Well, yeah, I guess I was a complete idiot" to. I can remind you, if you'd like. Don't worry. When the news finally acknowledges the reality of this, I'll make sure to post an "I told you so". Ditto on 9/11.... | |
DarkView wrote:
If government and military officials were making statements and testifying about this stuff it would be the official government/military stance. No it wouldn't. You're forgetting that this isn't a government operation, really. It started out with the Air Force, got compartmentalized and is now being headed by very small and separate groups who are not connected, except by a very very small group of people who know it all. The official stance is that aliens do not exist, that UFOs are nothing but swamp gas and mass hysteria. This disclosure project is trying to bring it into the official light, so that Congress can hear testimony from these witnesses and investigations can begin. The reason I bring this up isn't to nitpick it's to highlight why I, and I'd wager a lot of other people, don't take your views on this sort of stuff with even a hint of seriousness. You come off like you don't process this information. I process it quite well. Like I said to Garthor, this isn't the first time I wrote this. I'm not just going to post some off the cuff article because I saw some video, or read some documents, or heard someone say something interesting. I'm going to ponder it, research it and eventually decide if it's even worth my time. I think this is a fascinating subject, and I see no harm in posting about it. I get the impression you look at the information in front of you, decide how it applies to what you believe, then point to it as evidence. You don't know thing one about these 'officials' yet here you are parading their testimony as indisputable truth because it goes with what you already believe. You don't know thing one about the people who form your beliefs and opinions, yet that doesn't make them any less applicable to your life. All I need to know is that they are government officials and military people, that they have had access to facilities where nuclear weapons were stored, or in some cases, had direct control over those weapons, and in the course of their duties, saw some things they couldn't explain. If one or two people claimed this, there'd be no reason to take them seriously. When 400 people say it, it's hard not to listen. Especially considering who these people are. You can call me crazy and loony and all that, but I'd like to see you brush aside all these people so irrationally. Even if this was solid evidence that changed my mind I'd still be laughing at your interpretation of it and your attempt to present it. Laugh all you want. I don't care. You're still wrong, and I'm still going to continue making posts that you don't agree with. In time, you'll realize what's going on. One way or another, we're going to find out. You don't even need to believe, just wait. | |
Keeth wrote:
I could link you to a video of an alien interview, complete with living, breathing alien Just go to google video and search for "alien interview" It's the first 3 listed. Why you can't be bothered to find this yourself is beyond me. :/ | |
Don't take my word for it. Ask Paul Hellyer, the former Canadian Minister for National Defense, what he has to say. It's not just the US that has this information. It's everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuEUmnEVJQk