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I'll have to check out the Disclosure Project site. I've become more interested in the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrials lately.
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Danial.Beta wrote:
So why would a non-profit organization, who claims to want to spread the truth to everyone, charge for pretty much all of its content? Seems to me like a scam with a cover of a "The Disclosure Project is a nonprofit research project working to fully disclose the facts about UFOs...". I would think the first step to full disclosure is to disclose your information. First off, all this info is already out there. Greer and his team are collecting it into a huge pile of evidence to bring before Congress. Nobody seems to care if it's one guy here or some guy there saying they saw something. You're not going to listen unless 100+ government and military officials tell you over and over. You can thank the media for your ignorance. Secondly, if this was a scam, the IRS would have their butts in prison. You can't claim to be a non-profit and still make a profit. You think locating, contacting, gathering people and testimony is cheap? If you think it's a scam, go report them to the IRS. I'm sure you wouldn't be the first, and likely not the last. Good luck, though! haha |
GoodDoggyTreat wrote:
And John Titor was really a time traveler. Uh huh... Why don't you go do something productive, like chase your tail. |
Well, considering that is practically impossible according to the way we understand time works, you might want to invest in some heavy duty sunscreen.
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Why waste time, effort and energy debating this issue? Much like the 9/11 conspiracy junk, this could go on forever with neither side coming out clean or correct.
Xooxer wrote: Thank you Jp, for your insight into the common delusion. I hate elitist cracks like that. One could argue he is a sheep for following popular opinion, yet one could also argue that you are being the typical internet "trendy guy" who thinks they are better due to their beliefs that are usually opposite from the norm, therefore making you far more superior, or maybe not. Nothing against anyone personally, but sometimes I think that the elitist crowd is just as bad as the anime crowd. |
Riva wrote:
Why waste time, effort and energy debating this issue? Why waste time, effort and energy on anything? Yeah, lets all just go back to sleep. Much like the 9/11 conspiracy junk, this could go on forever with neither side coming out clean or correct. Wrong. 9/11, for anyone willing to look at the facts objectively, is clearly not what the official story says it was. Anyone who denies that isn't being honest with themselves, or is completely ignorant of the evidence. The alien issue is quite the same. And like 9/11, the truth will win out in time. It doesn't matter what they say to believe, their lies will be exposed. You can choose to remain ignorant, or you can open your eyes and turn off the hypno-tube for once and think outside of the glowing talking box. Xooxer wrote: That's nice. How's that working out for you? One could argue he is a sheep for following popular opinion, Yes, and many do. Probably because the analogy is fitting. He's certainly no lion. yet one could also argue that you are being the typical internet "trendy guy" who thinks they are better due to their beliefs that are usually opposite from the norm, therefore making you far more superior, or maybe not. I'd wager not. Beliefs don't make anyone better than anyone else. Ideas applied intelligently, however, do. Ignorance makes one weak, blind and unaware. Relying on a system of sound bites for absolutes in truth is ignorance, and unfortunately it's also the norm. I'm not superior for being contrary, I'm superior because I'm more conscious than the average citizen, but the sad part is it's your own closed mind that makes it so. Nothing against anyone personally, but sometimes I think that the elitist crowd is just as bad as the anime crowd. Quite an elitist statement. You think you're better because of your beliefs? How posh. |
Here's the thing, Xooxer, that makes us disagree so much. I know scientists. I have met many, and I listen to a lot through podcasts and videos like TED Talks. If there was any real proof of aliens, or more specifically, of the ability to travel through space at speeds faster than light, a lot of scientists would be all over it. In such a force that you couldn't imagine. I listen to these people talk, and the one thing that most of them want more than anything is to know something like that. Not to understand it, but to even know that it exists. To know that they might be able to understand these technologies. They would not be silent.
They would be using even he knowledge of FTL travel to work on it. Once again, they would not stay silent. They would be screaming it off the roof tops, their peers be damned. They would also find proof. They would be doing tests and proving the possibility, they would call every contact in every government agency they can for more information. If there is one thing that all scientists share, its an insatiable curiosity for knowledge. And that leads to conclude that if people like Stephen Hawking aren't shouting it from the rooftop, it simply isn't true. Also, once again, I looked over that site and found very little evidence actually listed(in fact, the only thing close I could find were some links to other websites, and pages asking me to donate money). It just seems like a silly way to go around proving things. They can claim "over 400" government workers if they want, but until I see some lists, some information, you aren't proving anything. Just because Sally at the DMV or Private Johnson saw a UFO doesn't mean there are aliens. Over 9000 BYONDers think I'm cool, that doesn't mean it's true. |
I probably should have not even spoke up, but I was sucked back into the seriousness of the internets. I apologise for feeding you, and to everyone who had, or decided, to read any of this.
"> Nothing against anyone personally, but sometimes I think that the elitist crowd is just as bad as the anime crowd. Quite an elitist statement. You think you're better because of your beliefs? How posh." I never justified my position in either crowd. |
Danial.Beta wrote:
Here's the thing, Xooxer, that makes us disagree so much. I know scientists. I have met many, and I listen to a lot through podcasts and videos like TED Talks. Yeah, I watch TED Talks and listen to Michio Kaku's interviews and tune in to documentaries on the BBC and so forth too. I also know scientists. If there was any real proof of aliens, or more specifically, of the ability to travel through space at speeds faster than light, a lot of scientists would be all over it. A lot of scientists are all over it. In such a force that you couldn't imagine. I listen to these people talk, and the one thing that most of them want more than anything is to know something like that. Not to understand it, but to even know that it exists. To know that they might be able to understand these technologies. They would not be silent. But they're like the rest of us. They aren't part of these compartmentalized operations. No high-profile scientists are, probably for that very reason. Why employ someone you know you're just going to have to kill because they can't keep thier big mouth shut? They would be using even he knowledge of FTL travel to work on it. Once again, they would not stay silent. They would be screaming it off the roof tops, their peers be damned. Well, maybe not. Scientists are career people. Aliens are career death, as are most topics surrounding them, like FTL travel and over-unity. Even showing interest is enough to get the "crazy" label, putting your bigmouth scientists in the unemployment line. Most intelligent scientists won't even bother looking into these fields, for fear of what their peers would think, and the impact it would have on their careers. Nobody wants to be the guy who starts the next Cold Fusion fad. They would also find proof. They would be doing tests and proving the possibility, they would call every contact in every government agency they can for more information. The government agencies don't have this info, or won't just give it out, so they wouldn't get very far. Science is making progress towards these technologies, but no mainstream scientists have the foundational theories and information that is required to work out these systems. The biggest problem for disclosure is the fractured nature of the information. No one organization has it all, which so far has been the key to keeping it hidden. The left hand doesn't know what the right is up to, which makes it hard to bring everything together for science to tackle. If there is one thing that all scientists share, its an insatiable curiosity for knowledge. And that leads to conclude that if people like Stephen Hawking aren't shouting it from the rooftop, it simply isn't true. Another thing they share is job security, which they'd have to sacrifice in order to seriously pursue this subject. They also share a thirst for living, which is why most people aren't coming forward about what they know. Greer is offering protection through publicity and numbers, which is the main reason he's got such a large collection of witnesses now. Also, a lot of these guys are getting old enough not to care what happens to them. Also, once again, I looked over that site and found very little evidence actually listed(in fact, the only thing close I could find were some links to other websites, and pages asking me to donate money). It just seems like a silly way to go around proving things. They can claim "over 400" government workers if they want, but until I see some lists, some information, you aren't proving anything. Just because Sally at the DMV or Private Johnson saw a UFO doesn't mean there are aliens. These witnesses aren't grunts or low-level workers. These are top guys. If you want to see and hear this for yourself, the witness testimony is all over youtube and google video. http://video.google.com/ videosearch?q=disclosure%20project&hl=en&sitesearch=# |
Riva wrote:
I probably should have not even spoke up, but I was sucked back into the seriousness of the internets. I apologise for feeding you, and to everyone who had, or decided, to read any of this. Don't be scared. I don't bite. Honest! >:D |
Personally, I don't believe in aliens. I also don't disagree with Aliens being somewhere out there.
I'm more of a, "Gotta see some proof, bitch!" kind of people. I don't impress or believe things without much proof. Videos of UFO sighting are VERY create-able using home-made objects. |
But Duel, these videos aren't of UFOs, they're of government and military officials testifying about what they saw, experienced or did relating to alien activity here on Earth. I don't see how anyone can dispute their claims and still expect to be taken seriously. Yeah, most UFO videos I've seen are fakes, obvious fakes. That doesn't mean there aren't real tapes out there, or that all the tapes we've seen are hoaxes. This testimony, however, is indisputable.
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Airjoe wrote:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/ 4266921.html I don't see how it's at all relevant. yes, people create hoaxes in Bryce and Blender and Photoshop all the time. Many of the viral UFO videos state up front how they were created. That's another topic, though. I'm talking about the reality of contact with governments, and the forthcoming disclosure, which is inevitable. |
So basically we've got a bunch of people who worked for the government - the very organisation that isn't trustworthy when they tell you that two planes flying into a building can make it collapse - saying that they've done stuff with aliens, and this is clear evidence that they're real?
I think not. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Testimony from a bunch of people is not enough. Here's an idea - an actual damned alien or alien spacecraft. Oh, and of course, I'm a sheep. That's why I'm an atheist and empiricist. It's an unfortunate fact, Xoox, that just because the majority think something does not mean it is false. |
Jp wrote:
So basically we've got a bunch of people who worked for the government - the very organisation that isn't trustworthy when they tell you that two planes flying into a building can make it collapse - saying that they've done stuff with aliens, and this is clear evidence that they're real? You only hear what you want to hear. The people responsible for 9/11 don't encompass the entirety of the governing body. Neither do the people running these black ops. It's a small corrupt group of people. No, not everyone working for the government is "in on it". In fact, the entirety of the first group congregates every year for pagan rituals, the entirety of the second group could probably fit on a school bus. When someone who has been entrusted with our nuclear technology, with top-level security clearance tells you something is true, you'd have to be an idiot to say they're lying. When hundreds tell you the same exact thing, well. I'll let you think of your own analogy. I think not. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I would say this fits. The likelihood that all these people are just making stuff up is even more far-fetched than believing what they're saying. They also have what you might consider hard evidence, in the form of radar tapes which prove these objects are in our airspace. They have diagrams of the craft, pieces of debris, and they're gathering more all the time. Testimony from a bunch of people is not enough. Here's an idea - an actual damned alien or alien spacecraft. I'm sure that's not enough to convince you. I could show you videos, pictures, testimony. You won't care, so why should I bother? Your disbelief about this isn't important. It's irrelevant to reality, as always. Oh, and of course, I'm a sheep. That's why I'm an atheist and empiricist. It's an unfortunate fact, Xoox, that just because the majority think something does not mean it is false. Just because it's popular, doesn't mean it's proper. The majority don't dictate reality. Sorry to burst your little dream bubble, but your beliefs don't matter at all. This isn't some philosophical debate. There's only one right answer, and you do not have it. You can go on and ignore this, but not for long. The truth is going to come out, one way or another. I just want to you remember what you've said and what you believed when that happens. Maybe it'll help you open your eyes for once. |
I'm not going to convince you. I'm not going to even try. If you want to remain in the dark until Mr. Tele tells you it's ok to come out of the closet, that's your prerogative. I'm just giving you guys a heads-up. You can ignore it, but don't expect me to care. I have no respect and little patience for people of intolerance.
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9/11 was a conspiracy and aliens are being covered up by the government.
BELIEVE IT. BELIEVE IT OR YOU'RE A SHEEP. |
Keeth wrote:
9/11 was a conspiracy and aliens are being covered up by the government. You're not sheep for not believing in aliens or the fact that 9/11 was an attack by a corrupt elite, you're sheep for ignoring evidence that is contrary to your world view, for believing in magic and fairy tales because the T.V. says they're true. You're sheep for defending false claims without evidence and demanding absolutes from any other claims that don't fit your paradigm. You're sheep for attacking people's character instead of their argument, because you're sure they're wrong. You're sheep because you're weak minded conformists with no clue what's going on around you, who think you can rely on what science says about the world, what politicians promise and what popular opinion and ignorance allow you to believe. You're sheep because you're afraid to be honest with yourselves about the truth that's staring you in the face, because you don't want to look like some radical nutcase. You're sheep because you think all the answers come from above, when in reality it's all around you. You don't need to believe, but you don't need to be ignorant and irrational when someone tells you something you don't want to hear. |