He's already said he hates the art form itself, and changing the genre won't change that.
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Seriously, it is such a shame to waste trees on something as stupid and boring as books. Oh mang. That has got to be one of the silliest things I have ever read. | |
I think your right. Anime is almost always cheap and they try to span very little value over a very long time. The thing i do like about Dragonball/Naruto/Bleach is first off the manga which is very concise, leaves on a cliffhanger and is very entertaining to have to look forward to every week.
However also, shonen mangas are really fun to make games out of, ive tried to make games based on middle ages or anything of that sort, as i personally feel that fantasy based D&D style/Final Fantasy 2 style/LOTR style/WoW style games are overdone and an act of monotony to create. Also there are some gems within anime, princess mononoke is a very good movie, there are also snippets of the shonen anime that are decent. Regardless though, Fantasy: lame, anime:lame, scifi: lame. Does that mean i dont have my lame secrets? nope, i like starwars and read two manga a week. However i do believe that people who LOVE anime are annoying, people who love asian culture too much annoy me, furries, cosplayers, fantasy lovers, scifi geeks they all annoy me. Ive had the most fun programming my demo that has no theme, im starting to realize the merits of themeless projects simply due to the appreciation of the content produced instead of a constant bias due to the associated theme. Yeah but i dont know whos been trying to assure you that anime isnt lame. Speedracer, pokemon, yugioh, filler, bounto, etc. Its a huge headache if you watch anime in any overzealous way. Personally ive never bene able to watch an anime with any consistancy because of the fact that im busy and i constantly feel like most anime are trying to waste my time. Again, Princess mononoke was good though and is good enough for me to actually watch. I havnt really given many of these apparently good anime movies a shot but i simply would like to state that its quite possible, lummox, that you may be too old to appreciate a shotty quality japanese version of saturday morning cartoons these days. I know ive felt that way since i was 17. Manga isnt bad, i wouldnt push it on you though, its rather addicting simply in the way Heroes or prison break is addicting, is it really that awesome? no, but when you commit to a storyline that always ends on cliffhangers you get drawn in for ever. | |
He's already said he hates the art form itself, and changing the genre won't change that. In which case, there is no point in even trying to discuss this. It is pretty ignorant to hate something simply because of what it is. And trying to discuss, debate or argue with people like that is similar to trying to discuss, debate or argue with a brick wall. That has got to be one of the silliest things I have ever read.Oh mang. YOU WISH. Stupid book loving people are going to DESTROY US ALL! (Save a tree, eat beav... author!) And Masterdan is right about one thing. The only thing more annoying that bad anime is those annoying anime fans. Seriously :[ Is it so hard to watch anime and not act like total damn SOMEONE I WOULD LOVE TO PUNCH IN THE FACE? I have probably been watching anime for longer than most of those people were born, and seen more of it than all of them combined. But I don't go around all "KAWAIII DESUU!! WATASHI WA SSJ 7 NARUTOR BANKAI!! HAJIMESHITE!!! ^__^;;;" (Just so you know, I have watched every episode of DB, DBZ, DBGT, Naruto, Bleach and most other shonen that is over 50 episodes long, such as One Piece). If people weren't like that maybe some of these anime series wouldn't have such a bad name :[ Also, Princess Mononoke was pretty good, but Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind was 100 times better. | |
Lummox JR wrote:
Curious that you push "no real reason" as if that itself is fact. But since when is dislike of an entire art form invalid? I said "no real reason" in the same manner I'll say, "Fifty Cent" sucks. That's my opinion of it, though an opinion shared by a large group. Of course, the backing of a group doesn't make it any more factual, but it does help back up the idea that it is more relevant. Your dismissal of the basis for my blanket judgment as trivial is itself an opinion. That you don't think it's a good enough reason doesn't make you right. But somehow you thinking it makes it a fact? You call my argument flimsy when your foundation is made of silly putty as well. If you consider my rationale thin, drill down any similar opinion hating an entire genre and you'll find the same kinds of reasons. The only difference is, I've bothered to explore and explain mine; I doubt you have any strong opinion with any less "superficial" a basis. I don't hate an entire genre over one thing. Sure, I may dislike a certain aspect and avoid the genre, but I know that chances are there is someone who has done something good with it (Unless, of course, the whole genre is founded on that basis, like the groups of artists who write songs about why they think Jews, black people, etc. suck). I've had to break my reasoning down to the atomic level because when someone says "How do you know you won't like such-and-such?", apparently "Because I frelling hate anime" isn't a good enough answer for them. Maybe it's because they can't make sense of hating it for something as mundane as the reason you do? You're applying some wacky standard that writing off a work on anything but a specific subset of its merits (or conversely, writing it off on a specific subset of its demerits) is somehow idiotic. It's not. You act like saying "I know I'll hate this", because I know I'll hate one aspect of it enough to eclipse any other aspect, is wrong. Maybe I would like the writing if separated from its package, but I will definitely, indisputably hate the whole package for its one fatal flaw. No matter how you put it, I keep coming back to "that's stupid" when I think of someone hating something that isn't even what the show is about. Nietzsche wasn't about his moustache; he was about his philosophy. TV shows (barely decent ones, at least) aren't about their art direction, they're about their story. I'm not dissing Bebop on a literary level. I could hardly do so, having seen nothing of the story by which to judge that. Then why have you stated that anime sucks, and stated that that is a fact? If you specify that you hate the art, then you hate the art. But just saying, "Anime sucks." and then saying that is on the basis of art are going counter to exactly what you just said. | |
This post's summary:
Lummox JR discovers that arguing with Popisfizzy is like arguing with a brick wall. | |
Really, cause I saw it as:
Danial.Beta realizes that an argument between Lummox and Fizz is like an argument between a brick wall and a stone wall. | |
The difference is that the stone wall tends to be right about these sorts of things: not liking a single quality that pervades a certain concept is plenty good enough not to like anything of that concept.
If I were to dislike sour flavour, then even something as pure and good as a lemon meringue pie would be a trial. Anime has a flavour, too: if you don't like that flavour, then even something as pure and good as Cowboy Bebop would be a trial. Mmm... lemon meringue. | |
That analogy was horrible, as lemon meringue pie is about as sour as sugar.
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It's sweet, for sure, but it's still sour as well -- in fact, I've found that the better lemon meringue pies have a rather sharp tartness to them which is then eased as the meringue dissolves. The two flavours are not mutually exclusive.
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Yes, but sugar itself isn't sour. I've never tasted a sour lemon meringue pie in my life.
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You totally missed the point, Magic Man. I said I hate the art, not necessarily the story. My overarching reason for loathing anime is the properties of its art that all anime shares in common. If it looks like anime, I hate it, because the drawing style is what's off-putting to me. My hatred of the art is such that no other positive qualities could possibly overcome it. How was that in any way not clear?
You say not all anime is in the same genre, but that overlooks the fact that anime is itself a genre. That an individual series can belong not just to that but also to other genres does not change that, which shatters your whole argument. Certain stylistic choices are the defining characteristics of anime. Since it's those very characteristics I despise, then by definition I hate all anime regardless of the story's genre. Now let's review how analogies work: My line: "Maybe Picasso isn't for you, but there's other cubist art out there I know you'll really like." Your reinterpretation: "There is probably an artist out there that you will like." Clearly the operative word in my sentence was "cubist". As in, if you don't like cubism, another cubist artist will not please you. Obviously I wasn't implying that someone who hates cubism hates all art. Duh! Cubism is a style, a genre. It is pretty ignorant to hate something simply because of what it is. Ignorance is lack of knowledge. It would only be ignorant to hate something for what you think it is but to have your facts wrong. I hate anime for what I know is true of all anime (a drawing style distinctive thereto), not for something I don't know about a given series. Ignorance is for example not knowing the difference between a genre and a format... or what "ignorant" means. And why are you you even trying to argue the point? You blundered into exactly the kind of "Well, but..." that I said was the entire basis of my rant! I made it perfectly clear from the outset that my beef isn't merely with some anime, or with some aspect that isn't universal. I hate anime because the visual aspects shared by all anime, even the supposed best of the lot, irritate the living piss out of me. | |
Popisfizzy wrote:
Yes, but sugar itself isn't sour. I've never tasted a sour lemon meringue pie in my life. Okay, well, let's turn this into an allergy analogy, then. "So... do you have a condom?" "Uh, yeah, here." "Does it have latex in it? I'm allergic to latex." "Don't worry, there's only a little bit of latex. It's mostly synthetic." "But it still has latex in it." "But it's mostly synthetic! I've never had an all-latex condom in my life." Also, the poll results are staggeringly disappointing -- 26 people have never even seen Tank Girl? I think everyone should go out and rent it now. Pronto. I'm timing you. | |
I'm surprised only two people so far said they hated it. Also, a bit shocked that five people have voted for the joke answer.
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One was me.
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I saw parts of it. All I remember are furries, and a girl driving a tank.
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Lummox JR wrote:
I'm surprised only two people so far said they hated it. Also, a bit shocked that five people have voted for the joke answer. I'm reserving my vote until I see the movie. | |
Lummox JR wrote:
I hate anime because the visual aspects shared by all anime, even the supposed best of the lot, irritate the living piss out of me. Well, if you go to hospital with a bladder problem, you wont need a catheter, just some anime! (Oh yeah! I went there!) | |
Lummox JR wrote:
I hate anime because the visual aspects shared by all anime, even the supposed best of the lot, irritate the living piss out of me. Just out of curiosity, what are these visual aspects that are shared by all anime that you detest so much? Because I am willing to bet you that I can find an anime series that doesn't contain these visual aspects that you hate (unless you say "they are cartoons", in which case I wont lose, but I will let you win). | |
And saying...
"Maybe Picasso isn't for you, but there's other cubist art out there I know you'll really like."
"But you just haven't seen the right John Woo film."
"That isn't even one of Barbara Streisand's best songs; you'll like this one better."
"That nude photo of Tom Jones wasn't taken from his best angle."
"I promise, you'll love Sandra Bernhardt in this movie."
"But yesterday's Doonesbury was really funny."
Is pretty dumb. By saying that you are implying all anime is the same genre or made by the same person. It would be more accurate for you to say.
"There is probably an artist out there that you will like."
"You just haven't seen the right film yet."
"This isn't even a good song, there is better"
And so on.
Basically, saying "I hate all anime" is no different that saying "I hate all music", "I hate all films", "I hate all books" or "I hate all video games". They all have a massive variety and saying you hate an entire format of entertainment JUST BECAUSE is pretty dumb if you ask me.
But personally I detest books, and you people who read them wont ever change my mind. They suck with all those words and stuff. This is the 21st century, go watch TV or something and get with the times (books are old and outdated and should be entirely disposed of). THINK OF THE GOD DAMN TREES AS WELL (Seriously, it is such a shame to waste trees on something as stupid and boring as books).
Oh well! At least in an emergency a book might be a useful alternative to loo roll!