Nov 6 2007, 4:24 pm
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Koil
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This argument is irrational because no one's views are going to change.
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Exactly, one point is, No one truly cares. Just stick with what you are believing and don't force it on anyone else.
Why continue to argue it if no one is actually gonna take anything in and just debate it. | |
Link899 wrote:
Just stick with what you are believing and don't force it on anyone else. If we did that slavery would still be a dandy way of increasing ones profit. | |
Link899 wrote:
There is proof, yet people do not accept them as proof. And what is this "proof"? Hell, there's evidence against the Christian, due to problems with omnibelevolence and omnipotence. | |
SilkWizard: Hrm, an interesting question. I suppose I am stating that for all practical purposes that there is Reality and reality. R is the objective reality that we can only grasp in pieces due to limited perception. r is the derived reality that we perceive, and is the only reality we truly "know" as individuals know.
The problem is that reason does not in and of itself elucidate values- that is left to subjective determination. Even in saying that "a man's life" is the standard invites a host of questions. What of when two or more lives come into irreconcilable conflict (the starvation problem)? What of quality v. quantity (utilitarian concerns)? Why is a man's life more important than a man's freedom? Or love? Or even a bug's? Because of subjective value. Yet, a religious fiat (though shall not kill) comes to the same conclusion, again because of subjective value. Not a wholly different process- simply different roots. Religion assumes the mandate of a divine entity whereas Rayndian Objectivism assumes the mandate of the divine self. | |
placing your belief in science or religion is like placing a bet. if it was a horse race, you'd be trying to pick who the winner will be. however, there's no payoff. there's no reward for being right. without any incentive to place a bet there is no reason to make a guess. in this situation, you might as well use the sure-fire method for picking the winner of a horse race: wait for the race to end.
from the debates about religion on BYOND you'd think that the whole bible was about the creation of the world. if you've studied the bible and that's all you got out of it, you should take a second look at it. | |