Back in spring I mentioned that the last Congress, many of whose members are still around, were a bunch of gibbering cretins for changing the established daylight savings time from what it's been for, oh, about half a century. The biggest problem wasn't just that it was a big change to get used to on short notice, or that it didn't get a lot of public debate before being signed into asinine law, or even that the reason it was done--ostensibly to save energy--was nonsensical and idiotic. It also isn't that kids are going trick-or-treating an hour later this year because it will be dark that much later. All of those things are problems of course, and they serve only to highlight the rank stupidity of this move.
But all those things are nothing compared to the real problem: a horde of devices that were created in the last few years, all hardwired to believe daylight savings happens at a certain time, most of which don't use firmware that can be updated. The cost of replacing those devices, updating the ones that can be updated, and living with the consequences of the natural fallout, is huge--more than offsetting any alleged energy savings which, frankly, I doubt were ever based on anything this side of the nuthouse.
This cavalcade of broken devices includes, among other things, the SmartSet alarm clock, which I got as a Christmas gift last year. Sadly by the time I had received it, this idiotic law had already rendered it obsolete. For three weeks it remained on standard time when the rest of the civilized US was on daylight savings. This made for a really weird adjustment and screwed me up a lot worse than usual, but at least the biggest danger was having the clock wake me up an hour early. Unfortunately, although I knew that today would normally have been clock-changing day if the aforementioned gibbering cretins weren't in charge of anything more dangerous than sharpening freaking crayons, I did not anticipate the flip side of the clock problem created by their shifting the return of standard time a week later.
Short version: This morning I had to pick up my father at about 8:30-8:45 where he was returning a rental truck that was used to move my furniture yesterday. I set the alarm for 7:45 because it usually takes me less than half an hour to get ready, and it would probably take 20-25 minutes travel to get to the rental place. But my clock, still believing it's in an alternate universe where Congress's stupidity (and in fairness, the President's in signing their whims into law) is limited, dutifully set itself to standard time on the day when by all rights it was supposed to. So when the clock woke me up at, it thought, 7:45, it was already 8:45.
The only upside to this galloping inanity is that when the clocks finally do get reset, it'll extend my wedding night an hour. In theory that's nice, but I'd settle for a legislature that wasn't comprised almost entirely of gormless incompetents.
Oct 28 2007, 9:20 am
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I see where you're coming from, but I didn't know that's what happened. I was up this morning thinking it was 2 am, but it was actually 3am; my VCR was a hour behind as it was auto-set to adjust time..x.x
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Yeah, I didn't get up today until 10 AM...at least I didn't have school, that would have been a nightmare. Is there any real reason hey moved it a week, other than it being Congress?
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Wait, when is DST anyways? Was that today? Haha, which way do the clocks go this time of year?
I never bothered with the details of when the clocks changed. |
In North America, except in those places which finally gave up on that idiotic load like Saskatchewan and Alabama, Daylight Saving Time ends the first Sunday of November at 2:00 AM, so don't change your clocks yet.
The problem is, it used to end today at 2:00 AM, so all older automatically-updating devices are now wrong for the rest of the week. Clocks go backwards in the fall, remember? Spring ahead, fall back. (Although now, in their infinite wisdom, Daylight Saving begins before spring now.) |
Does DST even have a point to existence anyways? My mum keeps trying to explain it that it was so farmers could have more hours of daylight. . . but wouldn't there be the same amount of daylight either way, just the time being different?
It is obsolete (not that it ever had true purpose anyways) and we should do the only thing that makes sense and cancel out DST altogether. |
It's actually detrimental to farmers, because farmers' schedules are dependent on sunlight, not on clocks, whereas their labourers work on the clock and have various times they're supposed to come into work. Farmers get up with the sun, so changing clocks does nothing for them and is just inconvenient.
No, DST is the face of the retail industry. The retail industry loves DST. [Edit: Heh, I used MediaWiki-style markup for the italics there. It sucks that there are three friggin' formats for italics on the internet, be it UBB code, HTML, or MediaWiki markup...] Wikipedia has a pretty good article. You can tell it's biased towards the abolishment of DST, but hell, everyone should be biased towards abolishment of DST anyway. It causes more problems than it solves. |
Well I'm pretty neutral on DST, but I appreciate the extra hour I get of sleep before going to school..x.x
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DST is annoying because it complicates the writing of time-correct applications.
Other than that I don't really care about it. |
I like DST, or did before this bonehead change, but it does indeed complicate applications. It's impossible to correctly convert to and from GMT without knowing if 1) it's currently daylight/summer time in the local zone and 2) the GMT time is expressed in summer time or standard. There is a short time, longer now, where the US and most of Europe are out of sync because one is an extra hour ahead from standard and one is not.
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That's what annoys me about DST. Time is a standard measure. We don't go around saying that a foot will be 12 inches, except for five months in summer, where it will be 13. Why? Because that would be asinine.
Likewise, the arguments for DST seem very week. The inventor wanted people to get up earlier and to play golf later. Come on! |
Jmurph wrote:
That's what annoys me about DST. Time is a standard measure. We don't go around saying that a foot will be 12 inches, except for five months in summer, where it will be 13. Why? Because that would be asinine. More accurately, in the summer, you would always add one inch to every measurement -- 23 inches becomes 24 inches. 0 inches becomes 1 inch! <edit>I just thought of what to call it. Lumber Subsidy Time (LST).</edit> |
Wars, global warming, North Korea, torture, Jack Thompson. Not yet, Congress has bigger things to worry about like Daylight Savings Time. I've never liked DST, it has no practical purpose anymore. I kind of doubt that it ever did.
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i never had a problem with DST, but i guess i was the only person here who played outside as a kid. getting that extra hour of daylight was great. we'd never have been able to finish a little league game on a weeknight without it.
people say that the arguments supporting DST are weak, but other than "i woke up an hour late", i've heard very few decent arguments against it. dealing with time is annoying whether there's DST or not. its a hassle to deal with time and its a hassle to change how we deal with it. there will always be some situation that can screw things up. |
Yeah, Congress has done a great job addressing real issues. Luckily for us, they weren't too busy to screw around with DST.
BlackBirdOmega wrote: Wars, global warming, North Korea, torture, Jack Thompson. Not yet, Congress has bigger things to worry about like Daylight Savings Time. |
@OneFishDown: My proposition has always been to lock time one hour ahead permanently... as in, set it forward one hour in the Spring and never change it (back or forward) ever again.
I mean, look at the equator: do we really want sunlight at 6 AM and darkness at 6 PM? Better to have sunlight at 7 AM and darkness at 7 PM. Farming is the big issue, and that alone is reason enough for me to abolish it. I can deal with going to retail stores at night. Though I do enjoy the occasional run, jog, hike, swim, or bike ride, the ambient light level usually doesn't matter because the one I like most -- cycling -- is an afternoon hobby, and the second one I like -- swimming -- is done under artificial light in an indoor pool. |
Jtgibson wrote:
The problem is, it used to end today at 2:00 AM, so all older automatically-updating devices are now wrong for the rest of the week. Actually, it still does end at 28th of October at 2 AM, just not for you silly Americans. Us Europeans and pretty much everybody else remains unaffected. -- Data |
@Android Data:Yeah, because the US congress sucksand wants to make America even more off the standard set by every other country in the world. Hell, look at the metric system!
@One Fish Down:What's wrong with playing outside in the dark? o.o When the sun goes down, you still have streetlights in the city and stars/moon in the country. I suppose there are some areas where it's best for little kids to be in by dark, but meh, that is where Jt's solution comes into play. |
Android Data wrote:
Actually, it still does end at 28th of October at 2 AM, just not for you silly Americans. Us Europeans and pretty much everybody else remains unaffected. Well, if you're going to be semantic, I'll be semantic back: I'm not an American. I was obviously referring to North America. =P |