ID:36046
 Oct 23 2007, 7:28 pm
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Important Poll, please vote.
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70% (26)
29% (11)|
Oct 23 2007, 8:11 pm
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Smoko
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I have it installed, but that was only so I could test something on a site I was working on. I don't ever install Java until I really need it, then it sits untouched because I'm too lazy to uninstall it.
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iTunes and a lot of other cool programs use java, like Eclipse.
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If you are thinking of programming in java, do all of us who don't have 2 hours to let stuff load a favor, and don't.
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I was looking for the "Unfortunately Yes" option, and had to go with "Yes." >:/
Elation wrote: iTunes and a lot of other cool programs use java, like Eclipse. iTunes is definitely not in the range of "cool programs," since it is forced upon me when I install QuickTime and it injects itself into my system startup so that I have an "iTunes Helper" constantly running, even though I can't afford an iPod. It's almost as annoying as RealPlayer...any time anything comes up that runs via RealPlayer, realsched has to start up, and then I get all of those damn alerts about things I could care less about. What's more, it always tries to stick realsched into my system startup (thank [random] for TeaTimer!). >_< As for the main post...why Java? Really, why? It's bad as far as regular applications go...and it's horrid as far as embedded web content goes. Use something like C/C++ for desktop applications, and Flash for web multimedia, please. | |
Hiead wrote:
Use something like C/C++ FlameSage is scared of C++. Ever heard of msconfig Hiead? Also disabling services? | |
Java is 90% the speed of C++, it only takes longer to load because its a higher level, so it loads up more stuff. also, C++ isnt really good for a hobbyist while Java is simple, easy and fast in development. and it also has built in networking, so making a Morpg, chatroom, anything that needs to connect to something else is easyer and faster then C++ (ALOT). then you have auto memory mangement, that is the best around. geting one as good as javas in c++ is almost impossable.
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You would make a chat room in flash much faster than all of them.
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Yes but flash fucking fails in the world of programming. it should be used to make pretty pictures nothing more :(
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I really don't see anything WRONG with Java, plus look how many jobs it has available today.
I think a lot of FUD is being thrown around. | |
Flame Sage wrote:
I think a lot of FUD is being thrown around. I don't. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Java | |
you can't determine which programming language is better without specifying a context. you could say that c is faster than java and that java's garbage collector is bad. but with no context, those statements have very little value.
if you're given the context of developing an application to be run on cell phones, suddenly java looks a whole lot better than c. on the other hand, if you're given the context of developing an operating system, c looks like the better language. its not about one language always being better than another, its about some languages being better than others for certain jobs. | |
Kamrusepas wrote:
geting one as good as javas in c++ is almost impossable. Yeah, that's because writing one yourself is, y'know, impossible. | |
in the context of pcs and mobile phones and internet applets
java is great | |
Elation wrote:
iTunes and a lot of other cool programs use java, like Eclipse.or any javawebstart program which is easy to use considering you can run most jws programs instantly | |