"I like animals."
"Yeah, I gathered."
"Because they're like people. Only different."
"Uh huh."
"You know, animals don't have war. War was an invention of man."
"What are you talking about? Animals fight all the time!"
"Not with nuclear arms. You can't hug your children with nuclear arms."
A second passes. Death reaches over and touches her forearm. She slumps forward into her meal, stone dead.
"Check, please."
everyone who doesn't agree is automatically an idiot.
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Dead_Demon wrote:
Cavern wrote: And that wont ever happen, because you'll be dead. The strategy of deterrence through threat of mutually assured destruction, gotta love it right? And running away from problems, and then crying about them is always the best way to solve them! | |
Maggeh wrote:
If America doesn't get blown away first by every country in the world, then I'll ask for forgivness. Well, that's not true. America's nuclear arsenal is at par with Russia's nuclear arsenal, although America probably has the range advantage. Suffice it to say that if worse came to worse, the United States would lose. And so would we, because we're your immediate neighbours, so please don't get any imperial designs kthx. The world would be in dire straits, but it'd go on. Ground zero and the fallout zones wouldn't be so lucky. | |
Well, that's not true. America's nuclear arsenal is at par with Russia's nuclear arsenal, although America probably has the range advantage. Suffice it to say that if worse came to worse, the United States would lose. And so would we, because we're your immediate neighbours, so please don't get any imperial designs kthx. Um, no. The soviet arsenal was only near half the size of ours at its height. It has been dispersed among the former satellite states in the wake of the fall of the Soviet Union. The US has had seventeen years to massively improve its military unopposed. The huge amounts of conventional weapons we produced and the industries that make them would have had no use, but we're now the protectors of the world right? We've got to police little states of course! This is all the while we continue to fund the pentagon. Even China, who has a huge economy would need over a century to match the huge arsenal we have produced. And they probably won't ever match the worldwide string of military installations that we control and have fought for. America is king. P.S. This is not saying we should go to war with Iran, because we've got enough on our plate. And even if we did go to war we wouldn't be stupid enough to try an occupation. We don't need it. Our goal in Iraq is to build another ally in the heart of the middle east. That would make three huge ones, Israel, Saudi Arabia and hopefully Iraq. From there we can exercise enough pressure on Iran, militarily and economically to do whatever we need. | |
Jtgibson wrote:
Maggeh wrote: I was responding to DD's notion that he would be alive to laugh at the US for getting blown off the face of the planet by the rest of the world, in which he wouldn't be able to, because America would certainly unload it's nuclear arsenal on the rest of the world killing everyone on the planet. Russia was never able to match the United States in terms of a nuclear arsenal. It was actually because of trying to keep up with the USA that they collapsed. I never said the US would (nor it's neighbors) would survive such an event (we wouldn't, all life short of say cockroaches would be dead). | |
Worldweaver, this is what I was going from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons Granted, it's Wikipedia, but I think it's bullshit that everyone calls Wikipedia a completely uncredible source. If you filter through the suspect statements the vast majority of it is completely acceptable. @Maggeh: The United States would never indiscriminately fire at everyone else in the world. They'd focus on military targets: that's been their military doctrine since the 50s. Even if they fired first, the United States wouldn't be able to hit all of the enemy silos and government centres fast enough before its own silos and government centres were destroyed. | |
Worldweaver, this is what I was going from. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons Granted, it's Wikipedia, but I think it's bullshit that everyone calls Wikipedia a completely uncredible source. If you filter through the suspect statements the vast majority of it is completely acceptable. That's believable, now that I check I was using old statistics. At one time we did have 13,000 nuclear warheads but starting in 2003 we reduced to those numbers. Of course, we kept the best ones. | |
No one wins in nuclear war.