Kalzar wrote:

QMarkReal wrote:

"Did kankuro have all of his tricks when he was a genin? no!"

I don't think thats the point. The point should be there was a capability. I mean, look at Sasori. He was building puppets at a very young age.

Anyhow I don't really think people play Naruto games for the economy part of it. I know why I used to play them and it was because of the jutsus.

There are more than just jutsus in a game.

:), see and kalzar understands. Things dont have to be the way they are now. You gotta think outside the box.

My condolences to the poor suckers that happen to begin playing the game brand-new after everyone else has driven the economy into inflation hell...

What about those guys?

Sure, everyone who has been playing the game for a while might have 50 grand saved up, and might be able to purchase some of the items even at inflated prices... But what about the newcomers at this point? At this rate, they'll never be able to buy anything...

Masterdan wrote:

Kirbys_big_fan wrote:

There should be a catch all passive jutsu to activate puppet stuff.
Just 1 jutsu, that shows the skill to activate stuff.

That just popped into my head.

im not really sure i understand, care to explain?

Just a technique to use the various parts on a puppet, maybe ranked by how hard it is to activate, or different things.

Small things like Kunai and Shuriken would be able to be used with really cheap skill, costing only like 200.

And as things get more advanced, like poison clouds and bombs, level 2. Then REALLY advanced things, like Sasori's scroll powered stuff, would take level 3.

Just my suggestion to the game. Take as you like.

Kalzar wrote:

QMarkReal wrote:

"Did kankuro have all of his tricks when he was a genin? no!"

I don't think thats the point. The point should be there was a capability. I mean, look at Sasori. He was building puppets at a very young age.

Anyhow I don't really think people play Naruto games for the economy part of it. I know why I used to play them and it was because of the jutsus.

There are more than just jutsus in a game.

Didn't say there wasn't. As shallow as it is, that was my main reason for playing them. Didn't care about the summons, weapons, or guilds. Just cared about getting the best jutsus was all. Though its my preference, I'm sure its not everyone's preference.

O_o so puppet items stay the same price? Or just the average items you wuold buy like scrolls and wires?

I don't think I'd enjoy playing a game where the economy had to be played like that. I don't like finding out that if I had of waited an hour I would have got the same item for a cheaper price, or that the hard work I put in is suddenly worth less than it was when I was doing it.
What you should be doing is draining money properly.

Make efficiency enhancement items such as chakra increasing tonics and expendable throwing weapons drain your wallet. You can go out and earn money without them, but to preform at your very best you'll need these items.
That way players with cash to burn have a place to burn it while players who are saving can sacrifice the luxury of having these items in order to maximize their profits.

This really hits hard at the source of your problem, players who have everything they need but continue earning at the same pace as those who are saving. They'll still generate too much money, but not to the same degree.

The key is to make the top level expendable items cost more than you'll earn if you go out using them. This has two major effects. The first is simple, money and saving money remains a useful function after you've got to the end.
The second isn't so obvious. Players who have reached the end usually turn to tormenting people with their PvP skills. This gets frustrating because they'll spend their entire time dominating PvP. Even players who enjoy PvP don't enjoy getting dominated by the same guy round after round.
With expendable enhancement items you dodge the problem by sending them off to earn money every now and then so they remain at top PvPing effectiveness.

It's a hard thing to balance out right, but I feel it'll give you a much better end result game-wide.

I'm just happy you're on my side. There aren't many places where a naked ninja can store his expendable items, so anything that reduces the likelyhood of you throwing them at me is a bonus.

DarkView wrote:

I don't think I'd enjoy playing a game where the economy had to be played like that. I don't like finding out that if I had of waited an hour I would have got the same item for a cheaper price, or that the hard work I put in is suddenly worth less than it was when I was doing it.
What you should be doing is draining money properly.

Make efficiency enhancement items such as chakra increasing tonics and expendable throwing weapons drain your wallet. You can go out and earn money without them, but to preform at your very best you'll need these items.
That way players with cash to burn have a place to burn it while players who are saving can sacrifice the luxury of having these items in order to maximize their profits.

This really hits hard at the source of your problem, players who have everything they need but continue earning at the same pace as those who are saving. They'll still generate too much money, but not to the same degree.

The key is to make the top level expendable items cost more than you'll earn if you go out using them. This has two major effects. The first is simple, money and saving money remains a useful function after you've got to the end.
The second isn't so obvious. Players who have reached the end usually turn to tormenting people with their PvP skills. This gets frustrating because they'll spend their entire time dominating PvP. Even players who enjoy PvP don't enjoy getting dominated by the same guy round after round.
With expendable enhancement items you dodge the problem by sending them off to earn money every now and then so they remain at top PvPing effectiveness.

It's a hard thing to balance out right, but I feel it'll give you a much better end result game-wide.

I understand your point, and i fully agree that we need more expendable items to fuel the game economy. And it will be done later. Id be happy as punch to see the economy sit at really low inflation, if theres high inflation it shows to me that theres something wrong and ill take steps to fix it (add new things). Thats kind of the nice thing to having this, I can regulate the money supply with updates and such.

This Is a Good System Masterdan i will enjoy this alot Sorry if you mind me joining mist Buster Got me with a good Rank =D

SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:

Masterdan wrote:

SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:

My condolences to the poor suckers that happen to begin playing the game brand-new after everyone else has driven the economy into inflation hell...

What about those guys?

Sure, everyone who has been playing the game for a while might have 50 grand saved up, and might be able to purchase some of the items even at inflated prices... But what about the newcomers at this point? At this rate, they'll never be able to buy anything...

well goku, thats why the low level items arent effected by inflation :)

Yeah, but no one wants to play a game where they only have any hope of buying low-level items...

Why would I want to sit around and save up money to buy something that older and richer players have inflated beyond my grasp? Why should I be punished and effectively barred from ever affording any of this stuff just because others have more money than they should?

If inflation gets that out of control then ive done a poor job of creating new and better things to spend money on, ill never let inflation get that high because ill always have big more expensive items to effectively drain the economy. The economics system really should just basically set the price levels more appropriately to a time commitment to an item, it should take a few hours to save up and get an interesting high level item. With teh squad system too there really isnt a huge disparity on how much money people make. A genin can do A-rank missions so long as they get in a team with a Jounin, it shouldnt get too out of control so long as money gain is fairly constant and no huge exploits exist to break the economy. What i may have to do is make it so missions also pay adjusted to inflation, so that new players get paid more if the economy is in a shitty inflation situation, however im going to watch the economy closely and do what i need to.

Ohh ohh and goku you really gotta play GOA after the beta launch :O!