If the word is running out of resources like you say (Yeah it is, I know), then the raise in price is to deter motorists from guzzling so much of it. Thus, it lasts longer. Your argument is contradictory.
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And again I say: "All the glories of trams and trains".
You all pay your -shit loads- of money for fuel to get you one place to another. I pay what... $2.40 for a train/tram/bus ticket. | |
Drakiel: That micro-boycott won't prove a thing. Want to prove something? Have people write their congressmen in masses requesting stricter control on mpg and get people to request more fuel efficient cars from their auto manufacturer of choice. That will do something.
Not buying gas for a day wont do jack. It wont prove anything to the oil companies. Because they are smart enough to know that even if the consumer doesn't buy one day, he wont magically need less gas the next. I'll repeat this one more time. Not buying gas for a day wont do jack. And your none to bright for thinking otherwise. | |
Tiberath wrote:
If the word is running out of resources like you say (Yeah it is, I know), then the raise in price is to deter motorists from guzzling so much of it. Thus, it lasts longer. Your argument is contradictory. what lol???? your saying they are raising the prices of gas in order to make people stop buying it? do you really think the oil companies care that much about the people? they want to get rich - thats all they want. ever heard of inflation? the more we have the less value. the rising prices is just the enconomies natural way of warning us that we are reaching our lowest points of fossil fuel resources. although i agree with your train/tram/bus - b/c we all need to carpool as much as we can. | |
I'm aware they're only after money, I was only commenting on your argument. =P
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Danial.Beta wrote:
Drakiel: That micro-boycott won't prove a thing. Want to prove something? Have people write their congressmen in masses requesting stricter control on mpg and get people to request more fuel efficient cars from their auto manufacturer of choice. That will do something. i understand it wont do anything, but its people like you who dont understand the concept behind it. its not about trying to make the oil companies go bankrupt. in this world currently, we are all in NEED of transportation. did you know that it was the car and oil companies who shut down the electric car production b/c they knew that they were losing out on trillions in potential profit from their transportation fuel monopoly. Might I also add that Bush's chief influences, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, and Andrew Card, are all former executives and board members of oil and auto companies.They were the ones who trashed the federal emmisions acts that were trying to keep the air clean. if you dont htink boycotting works than please - why not look it up in the history books. its a rough start to a better future, and your an idiot to just overlook a statement thats trying to help clean our world like that! | |
Boycotting isn't one day. Boycotting lasts a while, and normally requires the ones boycotting to do without to prove the point. The whole one day boycott will not do anything. There is no concept there. A one month boycott, now that will show them. There will be a large amount of lost revenue. But what are you telling the oil companies? Lower their prices? Well, they'll just sell it to another country.
Most of our oil comes from other countries that could stop selling to the USA without any problems. China could always use more oil. The surplus of oil from the it not being sold to Americans would mean that Europe would get a discount, which the need, as they are paying a good two times what we are. So even a month boycott would probably not harm the oil companies. What should we do then? Stop relying on the oil companies. Are you driving an electric car? No? What about a hybrid? Not one of those either? Why not? They exist, and don't cost that much more than a full gas car. Hell, there's a good chance you have 2-3 vehicles in your driveway that don't get over 20mpg. That will hurt the oil companies far more than any silly boycott. | |
Full electric cars are not in producion anymore.
Hybrids are NEW cars costing alot more than you think. If i had the money i would buy one, but the cheapest ones are just below 20 grand. I drive a 97 toyota corolla, great mpg and life so dont be pointing fingers at me. the oil companies wont lose money from a day boycott on gas - but 3 trillion people not giving a cent into there pockets would surely grab attention! you think that they would just turn on us and sell to different countries? we are the biggest economy in the world! We own more cars in the world than anywere else. Do you really think they would sell to a nation like china were the people are poor and are run by a corrupt gov? There profits would go down if they sold anywere else but the US. The people have control and we need to realize that - its like you dont even want to try. go ahead then, be a slave to the oil companies. | |
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the US doesn't have three trillion people in it. No country has that many people.
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Isn't the world population about 6 billion?
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America has the cheapest 'gas' in the world, stop complaining.
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Gas prices here, as of approximately two hours ago, were C$1.241 per litre (link provides conversion to USD/gal). So yes, seeing Americans bitch about US$3.09 per gallon kinda irritates me.
As for the actual article, I can say only one thing: fake. Chances that it was written by an executive (who undoubtedly would invest in oil companies) are slim to none, and besides all that it has all of the makings of a typical chain letter (which, along with rape, should be punishable by physical castration). | |
Drakiel wrote:
but 3 trillion people not giving a cent into there pockets would surely grab attention! Even if they noticed then it still wouldn't work because the plan is too transparent and short term. They know that people wont continue to go without. Of course it wont get to the point where they notice because this plan doesn't alter how much money people spend on petrol it simply alters when they spend it. People would continue using their cars during that day, most likely opting to fill the tank either the day before or the day after. Monday and Wednesday would see a rise in petrol sales, while Tuesday would see a drop. By the end of the week it would have balanced out to the point where it hasn't effected them at all. | |
Its not about the gas prices, its about how they can lower it but choose not to and how they are making money off destroying the environment and lives of foriegn people. This plan might seem pointless but then again - what steps have we done to fight these companies? There are protests across america aout gas prices - and though small and "meaningless" to you guys; I think it doesnt matter if it works - the point was to try. To me, you guys are looking into the future and just shrugging. The plan is not "pointless" - bike to school, bike to work, limit gas intake, all these can help. Not SOLVE THE PROBLEM - because there isn't a quick fix to this one. so HELP - beacuse if you dont your just standing in line to rape mother earth!
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Thing is, this email doesn't suggest we should all work together to lower fuel consumption. It suggests that we should stop buying gas for a day. That is pointless. If you truly want to do something, convince people to get more fuel efficient cars. Convince them to get a bike if they live in a town where they could use it. You drive a 97 Corolla, great! I drive a 2003 Corolla. They have great gas millage, and if everyone drove a car with equal gas millage we would probably half gas consumption. I know plenty of people who drive large SUVs to haul around them selfs and maybe one other person. They get 15mpg and have way too much power.
Tell these idiots driving trucks to friends houses or just traveling to get cars that don't suck a gallon every 10 miles. That would do WAY more than your silly micro-boycott. On top of that, how many people will actually do this? No more than 100,000 I'm sure. Sure, the US uses a lot of gas, but it would not harm the oil companies to stop selling to us. We require them, not the other way around. There are plenty of countries willing to pick up our slack. But lets go back, this email isn't about the environment, it is about trying to make the oil companies charge less for gas, meaning that we will use more oil. So what you are asking could be very bad for the environment. Let them hike the prices, maybe then consumers will start demanding electric cars and super fuel efficient ones. That is why the auto makers don't make them, there isn't much of a demand. Believe it or not, people wouldn't buy electric even if it was an option. I would try, as would some others, but they would be few and far between. That's exactly why they don't exist. Hybrids are getting popular, and don't cost that much extra. Sure, there aren't any low end hybrids, but the Camry hybrid is 26k, as to where the XLE model is only 24k. The hybrid comes with pretty much everything the XLE does. Sure, you can't find a $12,000 hybrid, but that is because it is new technology and the demand is low. Besides, if you are so worried about the environment, what's $10,000 dollars? | |
The companies are rich enough to not give a damn what you do. The steps you're suggesting are meaningless, listen to what these guys are saying.
-don't buy 'gas' on Tuesday- People will fuel up on Monday or Wednesday for preparation. Thus, the same amount of 'gas' is bought. The cycle continues. There is no sense in trying a plan that just wont work. It's futile, time consuming and pointless. -- If you want to make a difference, yes, take public transport. That's doing your part. I for one try not to go anywhere unless it's necessary that I do, and when I do, I take the train and walk. Trains are electric, thus no problem caused there. (Unless you want to be anal that the power stations have to work harder to power the train. And if you say that, stab yourself with a spork). -- What's more, those Hybrid cars everyone's belly-aching about, cost the same or even less then your top-of-the-range sports car. And how many people go out of their way to buy those? | |
Drakiel wrote:
did you know that it was the car and oil companies who shut down the electric car production b/c they knew that they were losing out on trillions in potential profit from their transportation fuel monopoly. While I am sure there is some truth in that, do you seriously think that the power companies could actually produce the amount of power needed by x amount of Americans using the car? Especially after that blackout in NY? | |
yes. we do have enough power to completely switch from gas to electric. oil is a fossil fuel - meaning there is a limited amount of it. if we can support cars on that than we can support electricity b/c we have dams, windmills, that act as generators. blackouts happen because of electric lines being broken - not b/c of shortages.
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Drakiel wrote:
yes. we do have enough power to completely switch from gas to electric. oil is a fossil fuel - meaning there is a limited amount of it. if we can support cars on that than we can support electricity b/c we have dams, windmills, that act as generators. blackouts happen because of electric lines being broken - not b/c of shortages. Sadly, we don't have enough power to my knowledge. If 1/4 of the people in America just switched to electric, there would be power failures everywhere. And then, even if I was wrong and we did. All anyone would do then would complain, "Electricity costs too much! Bleh blah bleh" | |
even though, this boycott might not work, its only because its for a day. those who drive know how much it costs to just get to the places you need to be on time. once it reaches 4 a gallon this summer - im sure boycotts like these will start to affect more people.