I apologize, I did come off as aggressive and dickish and that wasnt my intention but I responded pretty carelessly. Thats on me, I do that sometimes. Sorry.

The fact that you made that netcode yourself is cool, and I'm not criticizing you for doing it. My point had more to do with the fact that there are lots of people not actively developing on BYOND but commenting on its functionality. Clearly you used to develop games on BYOND, but there are lots of people who used to or dont develop games for BYOND and still make sweeping generalizations about engine limitations or lack of developer tools - but arent really paying much attention. And you know what, its still fair. There are people who gave up making BYOND games 10 years ago who have something to say about why, and thats still useful.

I think I have a level of high frustration with people saying things like Roblox > BYOND, or Unity > BYOND. BYOND is its own thing and its SO much smaller with one developer. It should absolutely look to these big enterprises worth billions of dollars and look for inspiration - but BYOND cant compete and shouldnt compete directly with those projects. BYOND needs to focus on its own niche - and thank goodness it has one. Simple multiplayer games. So make sure at all turns BYOND is making things (1) easier and more approachable, (2) focused on multiplayer (3) encouraging game development. I have tinkered with Godot and Unity, I've made simple multiplayer prototypes. I didn't enjoy it because theres just more of a chore baked in to handling multiplayer on those platforms.

So the point of this post is to focus on the fact that this platform has endured for a reason. Its a scrappy little community but the platform is cool and it serves people like me well. I want to celebrate the good and the reasons Im here. I think we focus on what we want to improve more than enough - very rarely do people broadcast why they like it here. There are a TON of people here for 10+ years, but all they broadcast to the outside world is grievances? isnt that silly?

I am not your friend Dan from Brazil, lol. I did make a Naruto fan game, but I'd bet money your Dan was working on my game's source code.

I think the issue is that the intended purpose of this thread was not very clear from the beginning, and we all just kind of went with the flow.

What most of us responded to from your first post:

What does BYOND need to do differently going forward? There are a few key things:

What you might have wanted us to respond to more in your first post:

The potential of BYOND with the tools we have prospectively, is immense. The culture is better and the support has never been more available.

Lets make games. If anybody wants to show off some of the super cool stuff I see daily in the Discord, especially in the hall of fame - feel free to gloat and post to this entry to help me make my point.

Both of these things can be worth discussing, but maybe not together, in the same thread? When a thread is very open-ended and can be interpreted in different ways, it can sometimes get chaotic and lead to some toxicity.

Maybe something like this should be added to the posting guidelines.

I apologize in advance if this isn't helpful. Please continue.

Im still using BYOND and bopping as of now!!