Yes, it's a known problem that IE renders images with darker colors than intended. It's also incapable of rendering transparent pixels.

Anyway.

Jtgibson is my hero.

I have IE and it's never crashed on me. It has only crashed when I've purposely made it crash.(Hehe)

I used Firefox for about 2 weeks thinking that I could load webpages faster in it then in IE, and I ended up getting a browser that took 2 minutes just to load a page when IE took just 40 seconds.(My comp was really slow back then)

Good news, Firefox 2 will restore

Yes, and it cured my bone sickness, too.

In that case, you're too biased to have understood what FF was all about. =P

"If Firefox didn't work for you, your opinion doesn't count."

Or perhaps it involved using some "proprietary" technology that Microsoft introduced to the IE browser.

It was the standard Joomla admin template. Joomla's open source, i.e. magical and naturally cancer-curing. Try again.

But the vast majority of Internet pages were developed by web developers.

By web developers, for everyday users, most of whom are using IE.

So why is this conversation still going on?

Null argument. Most things that developers try to do don't work quite right in IE.

Again, drop the delusion that IE is the freak and this won't happen.

Is this a sane development process?

1. Choose to do something according to a standard you know isn't followed by the most commonly used browser.

2. Notice it doesn't work in the most commonly used browser.

3. Complain bitterly.

Follow whatever "standard" you want, but if you go the road less traveled don't complain about the lack of rest stops.

I've been considering making a fairly nifty blog layout, and it will be pretty incompatible with IE, because IE can't render as would be expected.

Again, this amounts to a religious argument. IE renders doesn't render as expected when your expectations are set to how Firefox will render them. It's your choice to not follow IE's expectations, not a flaw in IE for not following yours.

A couple of glitches is nothing.

It's nothing? Okay, I'll put my page back the way it was before the Firefox users started weighing in. When they complain about being unable to access the bottom items on the menus, I'll refer them to you.

Well, a large part of the BYOND community is that of developers, and the gamers here get to associate with the developers constantly. It's no wonder if Firefox has spread here rapidly

I'm not talking about the number of responses so much as the vehemence of them. I expect Firefox to be popular among any group that considers itself techon-savvy... it's a naked emperor thing. Who's going to admit to using IE and sounding like a n00b?

IE works, but it requires a ton of hacks on the development-end to get features to work near-intended.

Try adjusting your intentions, then.

As opposed to a JavaScript event that occurs in nature?

http://secunia.com/graph/?type=imp&period=all&prod=12434
Firefox
http://secunia.com/graph/?type=imp&period=all&prod=12366
IE

Seems to be that Firefox has a entire collage of security issues(including exposure of sensitive information), while IE only has a few security issues but all of them are reasonably serious but can be fixed over time. Also 50% of the problems with IE have to do with the user being an idiot and not checking things before they open them.

Firefox loses.

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OMFG SO MANY COMMENTS

What browser you use is a sensitive topic for obvious reasons. Without a browser, you couldn't... browse..

Hiead, the problem amounts to you trying to do something that the majority of the users' browsers don't support. It's up to you how much time you want to spend in Step 3, or if you prefer to avoid it entirely by adjusting your intentions to be in line with reality.

Yeah, sucks that you can't do every cool thing that crosses your mind, but that's reality.

Let me put it this way:

I am not as computer savvy as you guys. If the fact that I'm on IE instead of Firefox didn't tell you that, I'll tell you now. I'm not a web designer. I'm not a great programmer.

I'm also a representation of the majority of computer users.

I don't like Firefox. I don't see any reason to change, and I'm not being presented with any.

You'll get some of us with the cult/Emperor's clothes thing... as much as I deride it... that is really the only thing Firefox has going on that matters in the marketplace of ideas as they apply to the average consumers... but I don't think that'll be enough to topple IE completely.

You can say people just IE because it came with their operating system... but you know what? In the absence of a truly compelling advantage, that's all it takes. Why get out of the comfy chair you're in to get to another comfy chair across the room? Because one is more convenient for interior designers trying to arrange a room around? That doesn't matter to me. I'm comfortable.

If the interior designer community truly would benefit from everybody using the other chair, they need to figure out how to make that chair attractive to people who are already seated, not go "OMG that chair doesn't follow standards!"

Hedgemistress wrote:

Hiead, the problem amounts to you trying to do something that the majority of the users' browsers don't support. It's up to you how much time you want to spend in Step 3, or if you prefer to avoid it entirely by adjusting your intentions to be in line with reality.

Yeah, sucks that you can't do every cool thing that crosses your mind, but that's reality.

Let me put it this way:

I am not as computer savvy as you guys. If the fact that I'm on IE instead of Firefox didn't tell you that, I'll tell you now. I'm not a web designer. I'm not a great programmer.

I'm also a representation of the majority of computer users.

I don't like Firefox. I don't see any reason to change, and I'm not being presented with any.

You'll get some of us with the cult/Emperor's clothes thing... as much as I deride it... that is really the only thing Firefox has going on that matters in the marketplace of ideas as they apply to the average consumers... but I don't think that'll be enough to topple IE completely.

You can say people just IE because it came with their operating system... but you know what? In the absence of a truly compelling advantage, that's all it takes. Why get out of the comfy chair you're in to get to another comfy chair across the room? Because one is more convenient for interior designers trying to arrange a room around? That doesn't matter to me. I'm comfortable.

If the interior designer community truly would benefit from everybody using the other chair, they need to figure out how to make that chair attractive to people who are already seated, not go "OMG that chair doesn't follow standards!"

This statement supports my assumption that Hedge is a messenger of the gods.

Hedge please close this topic.

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