Schnitzelnagler wrote:

Zaole wrote:

Efencea sucks? as i've pointed out before, Efencea is a recently created game and is not 'sucky' yet garners little to zero attention.

Actually, the game you mentioned as example suffers from several problems, which reduces its player-base.
If you want to, I'd go in detail over the pager, but it would kind of derail the thread here.

i'm not going to argue with you on that because i agree, but i don't feel it's 'sucky', which is the word he used

Zaole wrote:

FinalFantasyLegacy
this game meets your criteria

Not really, no.
It's a fan game.

his criteria mentioned nothing about whether or not it's a fan game, which is indeed not relevant to the point being made there (in actuality, the fact that it's a fan game is the only reason the people outside of BYOND were interested in it to begin with)

Zaole wrote:

i'm simply pointing out why it happens

You do not state reasons, but rather build up a hypothesis without providing evidence, asides from case studies.

what else would you have me use? calus says good games don't go ignored -> i point to an (arguably) good game and its lack of a playerbase. is that not a valid response? can you suggest to me a better way to show this?

Zaole wrote:

i wouldn't consider a rename and updates enough to consider it a 'recent game'. it already has an existing fanbase (which frequently rose well above 50 players in the past) from the several years of its existence, which made boosting the numbers possible

So, if this 'fanbase' is willing to play a non fan game, why would they not be willing to try another game of similar qualities (which is mainly graphics and ease of use for the game in question)?

the problem is, 'similar qualities' is not just graphics and ease of use. the game is also an extremely simplistic grindfest. for that reason, i think it's better to say that byond's audience is not fan game exclusive, but rather dumb game exclusive (fan games just have a great tendency to be dumb). it seems like a mean thing to say of Seika, since the game is very well made, but the gameplay is barbaric. if you exchanged "giant rat" with "pbag" i'd have a hard time telling the difference :P

with that said, you are right that 'well made' games can become popular, but not games that-- to use the words of another-- aren't "EZable".

I'd like to throw some games out on the table that caught outsiders to BYOND into the BYOND realm...

Mafia by LostRealm.
(Previously have known a few who have played the Card Game and wanted to play since they couldn't find a reasonable group of people to participate. So, I suggested them to Mafia and they loved it.)

Harvest Moon: Trinity Ranch by WildBlood.
(The old days/"Glory Days" of this game brought many Harvest Moon fans into BYOND. They enjoyed the N64, Gameboy and various console versions and wished to play it on the computer. Rather than emulating it, they enjoy the Multiplayer aspect).

GTAOnline by OneFishDown.
(It's Grand Theft Auto. What more do you want? Being the most successful Grand Theft Auto spin-off on BYOND, this has brought a small few people to BYOND. I believe one's reason was something like, "Well, my computer can't handle 3D crap and it looks fun.").

Duel Monsters Online by Kajika.
(Around... 3 - 5 years ago, Yu-Gi-Oh was a very popular television show and companies have made various video games on the topic. But, alas... Most of the games weren't Online and well let's face it, BYOND is Online and that's a very key fact into taking all of this in.)

Dragonball Zeta by RaeKwon.
(Even to this day, ever since Dragonball was announced to be a video game, many have searched and searched to find a game based upon Dragonball to play online with their friends. Zeta was a hit. Back in the day, if you Google Searched Dragonball MMORPG, Zeta would turn up.)

Hell, even if you do an internet search for MMORPG or anything related you'll potentially find a link referring to BYOND.
It's not the fact that games Today aren't bringing in much attention from the world outside of BYOND, but the fact that it already has in the Past.
What I mean about this is, if you took some time and searched for any and all blog posts about BYOND on the internet, you'll see that people have known about BYOND before but chose not to join us for various reasons of their own.
After so long, people get tired of searching for the same thing over and over again. (This includes games within BYOND) and find nothing that interest them.
It's not anything on BYOND's fault.
It's our communities fault itself for any potential failure of BYOND.
If we don't produce anything interesting, they won't be interested.
It doesn't matter if BYOND changes their Membership costs to something like $50.00 yearly, if there is a game that someone desires to play so badly, there is that chance they will do anything to play the game even if it means forking up $50 a year.
Leave BYOND in general out of it.
Start talking about how we as a community can bring forth interesting games and projects that will appeal to the world outside of BYOND.
Also, if you have something like Myspace or Facebook, try advertising there that you play BYOND and it's a great way to play Online Multiplayer Enabled games for Free. I bet that will draw some attention.

*Dark Vendetta saying it how it is*

Zaole

I know what you mean, I've been here for quite some time.
Actually, like a year shy of you on a different key.
And I thought the whole topic was about "Reasons Why BYOND Is Losing It's Players" so I posted something on-topic (which we all know the Developer Forum lacks).
And I don't think it was right for someone to tell you, "... if byond is suffering because there aren't any games, then YOU should make a game... "
Instead, that person telling you said quote should offer help with making a game instead of just bluntly saying 'Make A Game, Stop Posting Useful Information.'
Also, I'm not going to focus on Outside BYOND Quality for projects. I like the BYOND Community itself and feel that it doesn't need any more, 'hw i git ssjz?' or 'giv me src codz'.
I'm simply replying to the Topic because I don't see BYOND losing any players for the Topic Poster's said reasons.
I think he is way off and wanted to bring him on track to sensibility.
So...
50/50 Agree and Disagree to you. =P
By the way, what's a "graw kitty"...
O.o
I've seen your member page a lot and have always wondered that... Just figured I'd ask you here instead of pager. xD

Solcolito_Butch wrote:

I will not be buying a BYOND membership for my key nor for my children's key's. Simply due to the fact they love the Anime games on BYOND, but due to some people who think they can dictate what people do or say in their own free will and time. Makes me all the more flaunted away from buying memberships, even if it is to support the site.

I don't really understand what you're saying here. :/

Well say my son want's to create a game, but it's a Fan based/ Anime based one. If he had a blog and posted about it, I'm talking about the ones that say "no make this" Which leads to cussing and my boy has to read negative post's about something he wants to do or learn. Not more dictating, wrong word, but guilt him into not making one or fleeing away from showing his creativity and imagination. Even if it is fan based.

Hey it happens, esspeically with the younger ones. Even certain trends would tell you that kids are impressionable, an example would be, Caucasian trying to be African Americans. Also peer pressure is another one.

Everyone is different not every single person that's BILLIONS of people are not going to be like you. Yes i do know what peer pressure is, and I see it a lot on this site.

I'm not going to continue on this conversation I said what I said and meant it. Your going closer and closer to insulting my son so on that note, I leave you to speculate on whatever means you need.

Solcolito_Butch wrote:

Well say my son want's to create a game, but it's a Fan based/ Anime based one.

I find this very interesting that you play byond and then your son is on here too.Does it run in the family? I first was introduced to byond at the age of 12 by my older brother.Then soon my little brother join in and then my 2 cousins.Later on i invited 4 of my friends on here.(3 have left)They all felt byond was a fun experience but it did not last long.Things got boring and they all started leaving.Its only me and my cousin that is still left on here.(Not to play games but to make one)

Solcolito_Butch wrote:

If he had a blog and posted about it, I'm talking about the ones that say "no make this" Which leads to cussing and my boy has to read negative post's about something he wants to do or learn.

From the sound of it, if he's that impressionable (or you're worried that he is) you might just want to keep him off the internet altogether, or at least keep him carefully supervised. I'm not sure what kind of age group you're talking here, but BYOND has a lot of nasty stuff if you're not careful, especially in unmoderated games. It tends to rub off on people.