So having a copy right is a good thing, we all know this, so since byond does not put any counter measures, should they also be sued if said member steals icons, that were copyrighted. No not anime, I mean true icons that were made for a original game.
Just wondering, any thoughts on this?
I know half of you are going to say well why does real games have their icon/music easily accessable? Reasons are is because they are a real game, byond games are not even on the same level as a NES/SNES game.
But there so many ways to get them, so why do that? I wonder how that would sound infront of a judge, saying there is no reason to have any protection.
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 Oct 10 2007, 8:41 am (Edited on Oct 10 2007, 9:01 am)
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SuperSaiyanGokuX wrote:
The problem with trying to invoke copyright law concerning BYOND games and resources is simply a matter that this is too small-time... It would never make it in court, simply because it isn't worth the time... Then again byond is just small time, too small to be anything worth while anyway. | |
Well, at least legally and financially... And generally, in order to go anywhere with legal copyright proceedings, there has to be some financial loss involved...
If someone who created and operated a BYOND game that made them significant income (through subscriptions, donations, etc.), and had their work registered, they might be able to go after someone who steals that work... However, this does not discount the wrongness of ripping on BYOND... Something doesn't have to be lawsuit-worthy to be wrong, unethical, dishonest, and harmful... Simply put, just because none of us can really sue anyone over stealing on BYOND, doesn't mean it's somehow OK... | |
Aoshi Shinomori x wrote:
So having a copy right is a good thing, we all know this, so since byond does not put any counter measures, should they also be sued if said member steals icons, that were copyrighted. No not anime, I mean true icons that were made for a original game. An apt question, since apparently you didn't put any thought into the initial concept. It isn't BYOND's fault if some goofball choad decides to make off with your icons, any more than it's K-mart's fault if you rip an icon set out of an old NES cartridge ROM. Anything done to combat icon thievery would be gravy--i.e., not a bad thing to do, but not strictly necessary. Besides, any idiot can take screen shots and just reverse-engineer to their heart's content. I know half of you are going to say well why does real games have their icon/music easily accessable? Reasons are is because they are a real game, byond games are not even on the same level as a NES/SNES game. I think you were going for a logical statement there, but you left a few parts out and it just ends up making no sense. What makes a BYOND game any less "real" than an NES game? They're both games. But there so many ways to get them, so why do that? I wonder how that would sound infront of a judge, saying there is no reason to have any protection. It's irrelevant, since the court wouldn't get involved. Books don't have to be printed in special inks you can see only under a certain kind of viewer; they're open to photocopying easily enough, and these days the technology exists to get accurate scans and character recognition enough to reproduce the entire book in an editable format. It's not the publisher's fault or the bookstore's fault if you come along and run the book over a photocopier; it's yours. You're trying to shift the blame away from the thief to the intermediary. The intermediary is completely neutral and does not set out to support the thief. That's not to say it's impossible or even undesirable to add some protection to resource files, but it is not, from any valid legal perspective, BYOND's responsibility. This is likely something we'll get around to eventually anyway, just because it's been often requested and it couldn't hurt, but there's no lawsuit case here. Lummox JR | |
if you think this is even a remotely logical line of thinking, then you'd better get after Microsoft for allowing the 'PrintScreen' button, since that's one of the easier ways to steal graphics. plus, they'd have more fun laughing at you.
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lol. Yeah, that reply was kinda . . . mis-placed <.< I think he meant to respond to someone else o.o
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What i think is: someone somewhere should create a program for byond owners to add to their program that like fades and makes screenshots un-recognizable thus making taking one not worth it (only for the games tho)
Would that even be possible? like to fade it and make it soo blurry it would look like.. like if you had a bad webcam and you fastly flashed it past your monitor, know what i mean? | |
Well I mean some games do prevent the print screen feature. A few of the older ones when you did it, the colors and stuff got all messed up.
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However, it does bolster the egos of the kids who do steal others' work.
I think though, it's more the community's responsibility to squelch the people who are known to thieve than that of the moderators or the courts. If someone is known to thieve, cut them out. Convince guild owners to remove their game from ranked listing, or even from the guild altogether. SSGX, you are a prime example of what the community should strive to do. Essentially, all it takes is for the guild owners and the common populace to group together and collectively give them an unwritten, unspoken cease and desist. After all, it's more work to try and protect your game files than it is to just say: "Well, whatever, guy, you got graphics from an unencrypted file. You've got 'l337 skillz'. Bye." And just ask a local guild member to squelch their game. That's all that needs to be done. Guild removal. I'm 100% certain that All the main guild members would do it. | |
On top of that, in order to hold up legally, the copyright has to be registered; a step virtually no one on BYOND has ever gone through...
Sure, legally and ethically, anything a person makes belongs to them, and they should have the ability to take recourse if someone steals their work, but in reality it's just not feasable to bring up legal matters with BYOND stuff...