They'll 'scream' in certain cases, but they don't actually feel any pain it's just how they react to the heat. Half of the time they die quickly enough not to make a noise.
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One of my favourite comedians said this:
"I think that the whole 'the fish doesn't feel anything' lie, is a lie that is instantly revealed as the lie it is: Don't worry little Johnny, the fish doesn't feel anything... That's why it's... thrashing around and gasping for air" | |
Nadrew wrote:
They'll 'scream' in certain cases, but they don't actually feel any pain How do you know? Are you a lobster? Without any hard data, the most ethical course of action is to assume that they do feel pain, and take appropriate steps to eliminate as much of the suffering as possible. | |
There's hard data somewhere, something like brain activity scans. They feel pain in general, but not while being boiled, mostly because their pain receptors are instantly seered shut.
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Revenant Jesus wrote:
Right now, what they are doing seems the cheapest, fastest, method. There is no *good* way to kill something. So you just do it and get over it. I dunno, a bolt into the skull doesn't sound so bad or expensive. Kind of like how cows are killed in most modern meat factories. | |
Each culture is unique and has it's own Traditions and culture and it needs to be respected just like anything else. My culture has a tradition of female circumcision*. Do you have to respect that? *Not really. | |
I don't care if all the forests will be cut down, or the world will be flooded by massive tidal waves due to the green house effect, because it won't be around when I am alive. That's nice of you. <_< Animals eat animals. It is a simple fact. Why the hell should I stop eating meat because some jerk thinks it is wrong? I will stop eating meat when they teach Lions to become vegans. So you're just an animal? I'd like to think of myself as beyond that. Not to mention that it's not just a matter of eating meat - it's a matter of how you treat animals you're going to eat. There's no reason to effectively put them through torture before you kill them. | |
Yes I consider myself an animal. Humans are nothing more but mammals. Perhaps a little smarter, but still animals.
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Hrm, I would think that is not instantaneous, however. The nerve receptors would at least momentarilly trigger. Worse, the severe nerve damage could very likely cause constant pain until the creature dies.
Nonetheless, I have little difficulty in accepting that some things will suffer for my benefit. Especially if I am going to eat them. Cows will be killed, pigs punctured, chickens choked, lobsters live-boiled, fish filleted, etc. Needless cruelty is, of course, to be avoided. Which is, I think, the OP's point. | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
Yes I consider myself an animal. Humans are nothing more but mammals. Perhaps a little smarter, but still animals. Amen. Although quite a bit smarter, and I still wouldn't eat another person >.> As Jack Johnson said: "People are only animals in fancy shoes" :] | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
... Don't really eat all that much Panda. My doctor told me to cut down, so I don't really care. You sir, summed up my life exactly. This is how I feel. | |
No and I can see where the OP is coming from, but the fact is, they are still reacting negatively to something they may not have a full grasp on.
But my point was, at least in this video, it looks like a poor village, which can't afford like, proper slaughter houses, or hydrolic spikes. If you paid any attention to the video at all, it looked like a lot of the men doing the killing didn't enjoy it. You could see it was a dirty and hard job to do. I am sure many of them would be thrilled if they had faster, cleaner, possibly kinder options at hand. They do the best they can and that is it. These people are not needlessly abusing these animals either, they are harvesting these animals for food and jobs. People need to remember that it was not that long ago, that most of the world was like that, we killed and slaughtered animals in the best fashion we could and as time progressed, we became better at what we did. And we need to remember that not all places are as rich or as progressed as we are. The pain thing, is hard for me to understand. I was taught that even trees can feel pain, so I don't understand why a lobster couldn't feel pain. On the other hand, with the "Fish Flopping around" idea, it could just be a shock from a change of enviorment. I mean, when a baby is born, it *usually* crys correct? I would take it, this is due to the shock of being quickly removed from an evniroment that it knew for such a long time. The same could be said for fish when removed from the water. | |
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So basically your selfish, inconsiderate, and violent? Since when are those desirable traits? You must have a really hard time communicating with modest people, or just people in general.
I also don't want a vegan to try and convert me to an herbivore because I enjoy meat. I just enjoy it a ton better if I know the animal I am eating this meat from was not put through a great deal of agony before he was cut up and packaged. | |
I am not saying they should use guillotines. I'm saying that I would take one chop, quick and painless, like a guillotine, to kill them. I'd definitely use something similar, like an axe or machete.
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Jp wrote:
My culture has a tradition of female circumcision*. Do you have to respect that? Funnily enough whenever I turn on my TV I see an australian guy* wrestling a crocodile into submission. I don't respect that! *Strangely enough it's always a repeat these days... | |
Revenant Jesus wrote:
Perhaps a little smarter, but still animals. Well certainly not smarter in your case. :P | |
Yeah right, get over yourself, did you see those people trying to cut up those Dolphins? You are going to not only cut through several inches of what could be solid meat, but also cut through their bone/cartilage.
People who do this regularly have a hard enough time doing it, I'd like to see you cut off their head in a single blow. No, the best answer would be a slice to their spine near up by the back of the skull. Unless of course, that is what you were talking about in the beginning. And Elation I am glad you have taken to insulting people. That is real great. Jp wrote: My culture has a tradition of female circumcision*. Do you have to respect that? Even if it really did, I wouldn't care. That is your business and your business alone what you or your culture might do as long as they leave me alone. I consider leaving people to their own business one of the highest levels of respect there is. No one has to respect anything, enough of you show that on a day to day basis on the boards here. And a FYI I have a easy enough time communicating with people in general, at work, public or at home, because I say what I mean and nothing else. I don't care what happens to an animal before I eat it and why should I? Because some people think I should? Please. If people would prefer lies over the truth then they need to go speak to someone else. What is obvious here is that some nosy kid took it upon him self to criticize an entire culture because he does not have a full grasp on the situation and decided what they are doing is wrong. Instead of taking in account another's cultures heritages, traditions and way of life. I mean, god knows what would even happen to those people if suddenly they could no longer harvest Dolphins? For all we know, they could make up a large portion of not only their food, but their income as well. Suddenly a entire group of people are losing jobs, income and food simply because some people feel it is wrong. Well I am sorry, I feel THAT is wrong. That video, nor the website had any hard evidence to either prove or disprove that. | |
Tell me, what kind of meat is not solid and where do you buy this stuff? It'd be easy to take one hard blow, and why start anywhere else that at the backside of the dolphin? That's why I compared it to the guillotine.
What is there of this situation to grasp? It's fine that they are killing Dolphins for whatever reason, the manner is not. I doubt that giving agony to a creature is part of their culture. | |
did you ever consider the possibility that maybe, perhaps, you think that cows are dumb because you also consider them delicious. the animal rights activists would never tell you that cows are dumb, its always the people that want you to eat beef that tell you this.
right, because we both know how much cows and dolphins suffer. wait, no, neither of us know how much either of them suffer. while i'd bet that cows suffer too, i'd also wager that neither suffers a particularly painful death. the video most definitely makes their death look more painful than it really is. what would the point of the video be if the death of the dolphins looked painless? just because there is blood, that doesn't make it painful.