TheStrongestBeing wrote:

By Shades
""What the hell are you talking about? Halo has not even come close to topping sales records of some Nintendo games. And it would go without saying that there are more gamers now then there would have been in 1989.""

I just showed you the top 5 GC games and non even passed Halo 1 let alone Halo 2...Yes there are more gamers now then ever before but you think that Mario will sell 40mil games like it did on the NES? it sold 5mil+ on the GC lol Mario is slowly dieng Nintendo has brought nothing new and its still dead till we see what the wii will offer but as facts goes its going Poof and fast.

NES Super Mario Bros. (40.24 million) #1 on List
SNES Super Mario World (20.61 million) #1 on list
N64 Super Mario 64 (11.89 million) #1 on list
GC Super Mario Sunshine (5.56 million) #3 on list

As you can see the fan base has been lowering like 50% each gen.Facts are there.

(Hope you are not thinking im a mario hater i would play SM64 anytime again if i could, last time i played it was on the modded xbox)

I just go on to facts.

(On the GB should not be taken with happyness since GB has no competition at all,but again there is the samethign i said above,tis going poof)

GB/GBC Super Mario Land (18.14 million) #4 on list
GBA Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World (4.89 million)#5 on list

(On the DS its even obvius[-.-] that mario is very dead)
New Super Mario Bros. (3.84 million) #4
while
Nintendogs (7.37 million)#1

Nintendo can only be saved by Pokemon if they now what the hell to do with that great franchise.

I know nintendo wont die in like ever lol they dont loose money becouse they deliver not new tech stuff like PS2 trying new chips for gfx and <font color=green>monkey</font>, xbox using PC hardware, they keep redesigning what they had well they done that a few times NES to SNES,N64 was new and dificult to work with i heard,GC was also new but they made it simple and the Wii is basicly a Modded GC which im very happy about cause it can very well mean games will be made faster and better cause the devs already know alot of how it works,etc i could keep going and going o.o

As for this gens (Console war) my prediction is Wii will have the most sells but by next gen microsoft would have learned more about there mistakes and win from there on.Sony if BR works will make alot of money if it doesent PS3 fails and they get 1)bankrupt,2) get into software only,3)Trys to beat Nintendo on the Mobil market.

Good day

First off I am not talking about Nintendo in general. I am talking about the most selling games period. Not by company, not by franchise, not by system. But pure sales alone.

There are people who swear by Halo and if Halo was any where near as fantastic as people seem to think it is, you would think it would be able to beat the sales of 8bit games from the late 80s and early 90s.

Sales numbers doesn't generally mean a game is good at all. It just means that is was hyped in a correct fashion that would get people to buy their product.

My entire school was buzzing about GTA: San Andres and guess what, half the kids who bought it were pissed as hell. Many of them complained about paying full price for what seemed like nothing more then an expension pack.

Yeah you already showed me sales, that Super Mario Brothers managed to sell 40.24 million units, maybe more. What has that got to say about Halo if they can't even break a sales record like that?

Just because Nintendo keeps to their characters does not mean that that is what is holding Nintendo or their sales back. Almost every single company has a title, franchise or character that they will use repeted times. They are like a spokes person for Nintendo.

Nintendo has done it with Pokemon, Mario and Zelda.
Sony has done it with Crash, Army Men and Tombraider.

I can't say for Microsoft, because I barely play the one I already own. Instead I would say Microsoft has done it with nudity, violence and sports.

How can you dare even say Nintendo does not deliver new technology to the market? Oh wait, I bet you think unless a system costs $300-$400 it isn't supposed to be considered NextGen.

Every single time Nintendo has released a new system, they have introduced new things to the markets. Every single system they release is powerful, but not so powerful that it costs people a months worth of their paychecks to afford.

Nintendo analizes the market, they analize the current trend in technology and then they build and base their systems off of that. They plan and release systems based not only on hardware power but the costs of production. It is in that fact I am very thankful for Nitnendo. Because I can still enjoy new and intresting games from their company, without having to spend stupid ammounts of money to afford their stuff.

The fact that Nintendo can sell us next generation hardware while still making a profit is nothing less then genius itself.

Every Nintendo system introduced new graphics, gameplay and power. Along with new intresting ideas for their controllers and systems. And the Nitnendo Wii is no different.

I don't know where the hell you get some of your facts from. And it is outrageous you are sitting here and keep saying "facts" and then turn around and say the Nintendo Wii is nothing more then a modded gamecube. The Nintendo Wii and the Gamecube are very much two different systems, independant from one another.

You wanna know why sales drop? I'll tell you what, because video games ARE getting more advanced and more complicated. Thats why video games sales as a whole are dropping.

I remeber when I got my first orginal Nintendo and my entire house played it. My mom, my dad, my little sister, my GRANDMA. It was simple and easy to play and it had titles everyone could enjoy.

As the next genertion of systems started to appear, fewer people played games in my house. My mom, my sister and my dad. My Grandmother couldn't keep up with the 6 button styles of the Super Nintendo and this kept on until only myself in my household even played video games anymore.

Its hard to get into gaming, expeclly if you are not used to 10+ buttons on a controller, not counting the analog sticks and d-pad. It can be confusing and it can be a traumatic event that could lead that person to never play games again from one bad experience.

And that is the point Nintendo is trying to get across. The time for sheer hardware power alone is gone. Technology is already advanced enough. What? Do I need a system that can show the dimple on some guy's ass, Or maybe I absolutely have to be able to see every single invidual blade of grass and each one of them swaying in the wind?

They are trying to re-introduce video games to the market and their consumers and not just target the gamers, but the new gamers and the non-gamers as well. So that they can just pick up and play without having to worry about 10 odd buttons and what they all do.

You know what the biggest problem is with where this thread went though? We are talking about games VS games sales. Which isn't accurate. We were supposed to be talking about if the release of Halo 3 will cut into the Nintendo Wii's sales.

Yeah, you know what, I bet that Halo 3 will cut into the Nitnedo Wii sales a little bit, but not enough to even make it noticable. And the fact is last time I checked, the Xbox 360 isn't even selling that well..


According to monthly estimates by the NPD Group, 311,000 PS2 's were sold in the month of June, whilst 277,000 Xbox 360's made it off the shelves. Nintendo's DS was a clear winner last month, selling 593,000 handsets, thanks to the release of the new DS Lite.


That means that more people in general own more PS2 units or NDS units then Xbox360 units anyways. And I am willing to bet that most of the Halo 3 sales are going to be from gamers who already OWN a Xbox 360.

Danial.Beta wrote:

That is not true. What the PS3 brings to the table is the ability to have more in a game. With the BD-ROM you can store massive amounts of data, which may include high poly characters, high detail maps, or any number of things in that area. With the added horse power you can do a lot more than just graphics.

A lot of games suffer from lack of power, even on the PS2, X-Box, and really the X360. This doesn't mean graphics, per say.

Think of an RTS. You have 50 units under your command. On a PS2 or XBox you would have to reduce the quality of these units because they would not be able to process all the polys, textures, independent animations, and even personality of the the units. The Game Cube has this same problem, and the revolution will too.

The X360 has a bit more power than the XBox, but not enough to compare to most PCs. The PS3, however, is more powerful than most peoples PCs. That allows it to accomplish these tasks with ease.

You seem to assume that because there is more power there is less game-play. This is far from the truth. Game-play is based on the developer, not the console. Nintendo does create their own games, while Sony hardly does any game developing, leaving that in the hands of third parties.

It is also important to note that the PS3 is made to be expandable and enhanceable by the end user. It will come with a Linux based dashboard, which really goes beyond a dashboard and into an OS. It is said to be designed to allow 3rd party unlicensed games(Much like Linux has many of right now) and to allow its users to toy with the system. I like the idea of putting FireFox on my PS3. You might be saying it is a console, and not a PC, so why would you want to do something like have a browser on it? Good question. Simple answer. The PS3 has enough power to be a PC, so why not make it one too? It might even be possible to install Flash and the many media players for Linux on it, giving you a fully functional PC to connect to your TV, or with a converter, to you 19" LCD, if you have one.

Does that not seem worth it to you? Do you not see the value in such a powerful machine?

On a side note, I will buy a revolution. I have always enjoyed Nintendo systems and I am sure the revolution is no different, but just because I like the Nintendo doesn't mean I can't also like the PS3.

if the ps3 comes out and the way sony acts as if people will buy the ps3 even if it is just an empty shell would allow me to rather chose the wii

No I don't see value in that machine as I do not need that kind of power currently in my own damn home.

I make roughly $800.00 a month and I spend at least $600 of that on rent, food and utilties.

I own only normal dvds and a dvd player, a stero that plays MP3/4 as well as a computer, which I only paid $250.00 for and can run Quake 4 on as well as many other PC based games.

I don't need my PS3 to play my DVDs, answer my e-mails and cook me dinner. Now if it could sexually please me that might be different. But it can't.... OR CAN IT?!

Besides that, I read unless you buy the more expensive package for the PS3 many of those features mentioned, not only are not inlcuded, but cannot be later added on to the cheaper PS3 bundle you purchased.

Meanwhile the Xbox360 offers two bundles and you can easily upgrade whichever system you want when you want. You choose to pay for HD-DVD, ect and so on.

It's already been said that the Wii will be using a new cpu and gpu called broadway and hollywood respectivly. Now yes they are compatible but they are faster than the gamecubes.

I highly doubt they would put unecessary power behind the cores if the GPU couldn't handle it. That wouldn't make sense. Companies are always out there to save money. That's not saving money.

There's more than one way multiple cores work.

Way 1: Core 1 works until 100%, core 2 works until 100%, core 3 takes the extra.

Way 2: Cores 1,2,3 each split the load.

I know the AMD dual core processors work in way 2. If that's the case(and it most likely is) then the 360 should be fine.

By the way, how the press is looking now... the Wii is going to do so much better than expected. =) I'm glad.

It sounded like you were talking about the two Halos for the PC, sorry.