I was wondering if they teach programing in ordinary middle schools becuase i just thought abotu it and its a weekend so i cant ask the teachers....But wouldnt it be good to get a jump start on programing in middle school so you want have to go to hight school and dont really know how to code.You would at least want to no the basics like making an Attack verb.And the type of language they should teach is DM in 6th grade like i am in now,java when your in 7th and C and C++ in the 8th grade...Im just saying it would be a good chance for kids like me who really want to learn how to code and for those zeta rippers out there to learn also instead of just ripping other peoples games,like most of the DBZ games out there.....Sp show me what you think about learning the basics of DM,Java,and C and C++ in middle school"
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 Sep 24 2005, 1:31 pm
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So kalzar do you have to go to a pacific high school for they can teach you programing.Becuase im I the 6th and im going to a high school thats kinda like a collage you pick what you want to be and thats what they teach you.Is that a type of high school i can go to learb java,C,and C++,code.
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I can't understand what you're saying, but here at West we can take up programming and crap. And we're you're everyday run-of-the-mill highschools.
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Depends on the school and if they get funding for programming classes -- a majority of schools still don't offer any kind of programming courses because they simply don't get the funding for the required equipment. In other words, it's not up to the school, it's up to the government.
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I learned to program myself. I only know DM, and I havn't tried any others, but I am getting to the point where I can accomplish most tasks I face in DM.
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This year I'll be learning Cobol, and maybe Grahpical Basic, and RPG. I'm not sure about any others though.
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Bringer of Flames wrote:
I learned to program myself. I only know DM, and I havn't tried any others, but I am getting to the point where I can accomplish most tasks I face in DM. Yeah, I'm completely self-taught(well, in the sense that I have been aided by several documents along the way). Bjarne Stroustroup's book, The C++ Programming Language (Third Edition), was a major aid in my learning of C++. Even more than that might have been my previous (and still continuing) experience in DM. Since C++ and DM follow a very similar structure(save for the brackets, semi-colons-especially the use of semi-colons in for() loops, and the way lists are indexed), I picked up on C++ after very little reading of how the programs were structured. I'm still a pretty genuine newbie to C++ (I hate having to use so many standard libraries for basic things), but I figure I've got DM down pretty well. So basically, there's nothing wrong with being self-taught. As long as you stay dedicated, and focused, it should play itself out for you. Hiead | |
I actually got my start on programming in middle school. It was a 7th grade Advanced Math class in 1982: AppleSoft BASIC on the Apple II. I would hope that most middle schools nowadays offer some kind of introduction to programming (at least as an elective)... but if not, just stick around BYOND and you'll learn plenty!
BYOND's DM language is designed to be easy to learn and use, but it's not a "toy" language by any means. If you master DM then picking up other languages will be a piece of cake. I was a programmer for years before I found BYOND, but it wasn't until I started using DM that I really understood object-oriented programming; I knew the basics, I guess, but it was BYOND that actually gave me practical experience. | |
Java ! Java! What is it with people today and their coffee. I took it in HS (Long time ago). I think it sucked. All that confusing stuff. Plus that giant a** book I had to read. Was what 3 times the size of my old C++ HS book. Pfff. Even my VB book was like 1/3 the size. Plus I especially hate how it supports different OS's so easy.
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ung, no java, pointless.
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The reason I didn't read your post is that it was written in blue.
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Jermman wrote:
ung, no java, pointless. Nah, not pointless. Its used to program cell phones..0_0 I'm taking the class now.. | |
wish my school taught Programing that way i wouldnt have to look at big ass tuts evry time i wanted to lern something in python or C/C++ but ya java is useless Python is cool and east if you understand DM and i wouldnt have know even how games are made if it wasnt for byond thank u dantom for byond its helped me alot[Edit]and thay should teach some codeing in algbry i found thay most langs use the format of vars and const and stuff
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Jermman wrote:
ung, no java, pointless. Java is used in a lot of universities. It's also used for lots of web applications. By web applications I'm referring to something like the shopping system at amazon.com rather than silly webgames, which java also does. | |
National Guardsmen wrote:
wish my school taught Programing that way i wouldnt have to look at big ass tuts evry time i wanted to lern something in python or C/C++ but ya java is useless Python is cool and east if you understand DM and i wouldnt have know even how games are made if it wasnt for byond thank u dantom for byond its helped me alot[Edit]and thay should teach some codeing in algbry i found thay most langs use the format of vars and const and stuff Yea, Byond has really helped me in Algebra, I was learning Algebra and I thought I was making games... What a conspiracy. Perhaps DanTom and the school system are working together, plotting this whole thing. Or not. | |
Karrigo wrote:
Perhaps DanTom and the school system are working together, plotting this whole thing. Yeah, must be a conspiracy. If that were the case, then Lummox must be a failing student who has mastered everything but Algebra. XD Of course, it could've been a mere factor of programming that it commonly uses algebra to solve problems. Writing recursive sequences can be very helpful for programming in formulas for things (though I will remain silent about the specifics, lest I encourage a new formula to be used by Zeta rippers). Hiead | |
Jon88 wrote:
Jermman wrote: Yeah. I'm not a fan of Java at all, but I'm told that it does have its uses. GUI programming in Java is painful. (Actually, programming anything in Java is painful; but GUIs even more so.) Swing, Java's built-in API for graphics, sucks the big one. It's bloated, slow, memory-hungry, and looks terrible. (There's also AWT, which Swing is built on. AWT is bloated, slow, memory-hungry, and looks even worse than Swing; it's not even double-buffered!) Luckily there are alternatives that actually work. (No thanks to Sun.) Non-GUI programming can be summed up by saying that Java shouldn't be called Java; rather, a better name would be "UselessAbstractions++". Or "BloatOnAStick++". I'm told that it's much better at server-side web development, but I've never actually used it for that, so I wouldn't know. I suspect I'd still dislike it. People probably say that because it has every web technology you could think of built-in, so there's no need to use third-party libraries for the most part. (Or perhaps bloated-in is a better term?) | |
Crispy wrote:
I'm told that it's much better at server-side web development, but I've never actually used it for that, so I wouldn't know. I suspect I'd still dislike it. People probably say that because it has every web technology you could think of built-in, so there's no need to use third-party libraries for the most part. (Or perhaps bloated-in is a better term?) People probably say that because they haven't experienced the great programming language that is DM. :P Also, there are these things called Java servlets that are well-supported by big companies like Sun and IBM. | |
Unfortunatly, I don't know of any Middle School that teaches Computer Programming-type classes. I do know that in my High School, they teach Visual Basic(Which is completely useless unless you are going to be working for Microcrap, I think) and Java, which, unfortunatly, replaced C++. I would have rathered to learn C++ instead of Java, now I basically have to self-teach myself C++. Almost every Gaming Company that is hiring asks for C++, not Java. In the Gaming Community, you would rather have C++ than Java, C++ is alot better, and much more useful that the idiotic Java. In reality, I don't see any reason to USE Java when you know C++ =/
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Anyways, I am learning BASIC in high school right now, it sucks. I didn't tell my teacher or classmates that I had experience so they think i'm a prodegy, it's cool. I'm taking Java and AP Java next year.
Well, in my middle school they didn't have electives, not sure how it works in your school though. I don't think they will teach programming at such a young age either.