Actualy, your wrong there. Most of which are in fact going into technological fields. Several are electrical engineers, a rocket scientist, a few graphics designers, a couple computer programmers, and I myself am a robotics/mechanical designer/engineer.
And I've already explained how fire can be considered an element in real world science. Read above posts. | |
In the real science world, elements are located in the periodic table :P
Besides, even though most people are going to sciences, do you really expect where you placed the poll to give you a proper scientific answer? Did you phrased your poll question right (such as if fire is an element in science)? How old do you think the people you are asking are (people like 50-60 years old are more knowledgeable than 10-12 year old due to experience in a certain field given time and experience)? The joke about the fire not being an element is purely based on science: water = H2O; earth = metal ions (eg: Fe); air = O, N, CO2, etc.; fire = chemical reaction only.. If you don't get it, all of the above except for fire had at least one element from the periodic table.. which was why the 'Ti Element' > 'Earth Element' (in terms of strength and lightness) was brought up in the comic :P By the way, your reasoning is not based on chemistry (the 'element' of this joke... lame pun, I know), you're just stating the physical state of the 'fantasy elements' [except for fire, form of a changing state... of what states? :P] Of course, appropriate proof can back up your claim significantly... which, if I may ask, can I see one about your state of fire is a form of changing state (not trying to demean you, I'm just interested in reading more about it). - GhostAnime | |
Eh.. So this is still going off-topicness? As already said a couple of times, realize this scientific stuff doesn't matter for a game/RPG, which is what this topic is about in the first place. Lol, poor topic poster.
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Fire is not an element. If it were an element, then it wouldn't exist as a reaction from other elements.
2H2 + O2 --> 2H2O (This is just one of a few different reactions for that can cause fire). Something can't be an element if it's made up of elements. That's just basic logic, so I think all your friends aren't really what they say they are. | |
Yume_Nasuki wrote:
Actualy, your wrong there. Most of which are in fact going into technological fields. Several are electrical engineers, a rocket scientist, a few graphics designers, a couple computer programmers, and I myself am a robotics/mechanical designer/engineer. Yeah, I'm gonna have to raise the BS flag here. If you're a real engineer, if you have a ton of real scientists and engineers as friends, then you all know quite well that fire is a chemical reaction, and elements are atoms. In real-world science, that is. Not even the greatest strain on logic could get you to the point where fire is considered an element again. In fantasy gaming, then yeah, no one will disagree with you that fire works as an element. Go for it. But in real life, no; the Greeks were simply ignorant of chemistry. In modern day, everyone with even a basic education knows of the periodic table even if they don't know everything in it. You've heard of oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, because you were born on this planet sometime in the last century and are able to read. I'm not sure what you're getting at by claiming something different. Lummox JR | |
And your explanations make no sense. I suggest you and your friends go back to middle school and redo everything from there. They is no way you guys are scientists and engineers and believe fire is an element.
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Yume_Nasuki wrote:
Actualy, your wrong there. Most of which are in fact going into technological fields. Several are electrical engineers, a rocket scientist, a few graphics designers, a couple computer programmers, and I myself am a robotics/mechanical designer/engineer. This is an excellent example of why chem labs are staffed by chemists rather than electrical engineers, rocket scientists, graphical designers, computer programmers, and mechanics. Being a chemist myself, I can say with absolute certainty that I do not have enough technical knowledge to carry on a good conversation about rockets or robotics -- as a matter of courtesy, you should recognize that you do not have enough knowledge to carry on a conversation about chemistry. | |
Not entirely true. Chemistry is in effect appart of many other sciences including mechanical/electrical egineering and many other such proffesions. The only reason you don't see as many in chem labs is because sometimes it can put you to sleep. Trust me I'm a robotics egineer and electronic classes make me drowsy, or mabey it's just the teachers fault. Iether way, chem is a very useful class to take regardless of the specific field you intend to major in a science.
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Dunno for the card game, but don't they have "Ground" and "Rock" in the series, which are actually pretty different, lol.