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Ok. I was flipping through pages on my HUB and noticed the checkbox about having my games searchable. One of the criteria states that it cannot be a rip, loosely defined as a game using a codebase, or anything that is not my own creation...

My question is, however... If i use an open-source, or openly-obtained source, for a game... And then highly build upon it...

That technically makes it not a rip, since it has become my own creation.. But i used a "code base"... Yet i credited 1: the provider, and 2: the original concept and base designer...

I know my game can be popular, and i just want to know if what i have is still technically a rip, or if it would be allowed within the rules of what is allowed to be searchable.

Long story short.. I dont think that the details have enough information to clearly state what is, and is not allowed.
And the other part: is it still a rip if i credit appropriately?

Please help me answer this as soon as possible. Its giving me a headache lol.
Hmmm.... This is a good question. I have seen games that are complete rips from stolen sources and have been allowed to continue the be listed because the ripper added content to the source that wasn't originally there. (Mind you the content that was added was just updates from the original game that weren't available in the rip...)

I think if it is an open source however, then it shouldn't be counted as a rip, especially since the owner gives permission for you to use it by making the source open. As long as you credit the original owner and you add content to it then you should be fine.

As a brief suggestion I would re-map and/or remake the icons used for the game if you are going to continue it. Because even if the game uses similar icons, if it is mapped differently from the original game, that is a pretty significant change towards originality. Same with redoing the icons the game uses. Plus it is nice to see something different than a bunch of games using the same old same old.

Just my opinion.
In response to Moussiffer
So then its safe to assume that say, a Final Fantasy game that uses an open source base.....

As long as i...
  • Gave full credits
  • Added my own content like hell
  • Re-mapped, and added custom graphics


Then i should be good?
In response to The_Zergling
I would think that would be good enough to be listed. Not featured mind you, but listed is good none-the-less. I am sure that once you get a working copy if you submit the game,with all of the appropriate changes then whoever checks it will tell you if there is more you need to do to be featured. I was also talk to Teka123 about this subject. He checks games and he is also pretty understanding if you are honest and up front with him, he will more than likely work with you to try and get your game listed.

I hope that helps some.
In response to Moussiffer
That'l' do, Mouss... That'll do.
In response to The_Zergling
XD Good luck with you game. :P
In response to Moussiffer
Thanks.
Rips are games based on illegitimately sourced content; ie: content taken from an existing source (such as other games) without permission.

Open sourced games can be rips if they include stolen content, but not all open source games are rips.
In response to The_Zergling
It would still be a rip of final fantasy ... no one has permission to use that
In response to AmandaDD
AmandaDD wrote:
It would still be a rip of final fantasy ... no one has permission to use that

I used that as an example.
In response to AmandaDD
No, it wouldn't be.
Unless he somehow illegitimately grabbed hold of a Final Fantasy game's source code and used it <small>(automagically converting it to DM first of course)</small>.

What would be correct in your sentence is "fan game", not "rip". The terms are wildly different, and a rip is theoretically inherently bad, while a fan game isn't (although in BYOND's case, due to circumstances, it's bad for purposes such as variety).
In response to Kaioken
Kaioken wrote:
No, it wouldn't be.
Unless he somehow illegitimately grabbed hold of a Final Fantasy game's source code and used it <small>(automagically converting it to DM first of course)</small>.

What would be correct in your sentence is "fan game", not "rip". The terms are wildly different, and a rip is theoretically inherently bad, while a fan game isn't (although in BYOND's case, due to circumstances, it's bad for purposes such as variety).

It's not limited to source code, if you lift artwork from a Final Fantasy game to use in your fan game, that counts as a rip as well.
In response to Slurm
Ok... Note to self.. If i can print it out and paste it over my TV and fool anyone who looks at it into thinking its the REAL game... Chances are its a rip. lol