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 Nov 8 2009, 2:48 pm
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I am working on a Naruto Game and I realized I cannot really make most of the stuff without a reference. So I decided to use my emulator and use some of the stuff from Path Of a Ninja as a reference. I used the desk from the academy as well as the same pallette and when I finished the turned out pretty alike but I could tell which one was mines obviously. So I wanted your opinions because I didnt rip it but I also am unsure. So please Comment I'd appreciate it.
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Nov 8 2009, 3:21 pm
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Pandora'sSecret
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To bluntly answer your question. This is not considered ripping.. however it is frowned upon.
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I used the pallete because I want the games color scheme to be like that. So I dont think theres no avoiding it.
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There's no reason whatsoever it shouldn't be considered ripping. Same logic applies, your stealing artwork.
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Terra-GX wrote:
Well, what do you recommend I do? It's up to you, Zane does this and he just ends up looking like a fool. You're now having to deal with skepticism from the public and even yourself! Which the public views as ripping by default. If I showed a piece and then the references I used you'd be like "What the hell are you talking about Hulio? This is an apple and this is a grape". You read a reference to analyze its technique not to copy the entire design. Alot of beginners including myself when I started don't realize how to properly use a reference. It's like writing a paper, you don't stick to ONE reference, unless you really know what you want, otherwise it'll come out exactly like that. If your teacher can tell its not in your own words, then you've plagiarized. If it looks like the reference. Then you did it wrong. Things I see on that chair that one could be looking for are: Saturation levels, Ambient Lightning, 3/4th perspectives. You got to know what you're looking for when looking at a reference, not just "I want to make a good chair". Find out whats lacking in your own chair. Volume? Shading technique? AA? Then just focus on this weakness so it doesn't end up looking like something totally different. So, study the technique(I even recommend it), do not copy the design. In doing so your artwork is missing your own essence which is the most important part of your work. Everyone is different and it shows through there own art. When I'm working with pixel artists and end up editing there work, I often tell them it wouldn't have came out like that if I had done it from scratch. It is beautiful and even more mysterious to me because its someone else's essence that has been unlocked(not mine) all I did was apply the proper technique(which is what you look at references for). Everyone should acknowledge that there is a hidden beauty behind there own work and that they don't "need" it to be someone elses. | |
Color pallettes can be stolen and there is absolutely no problem with that. If you want to steal colors go ahead, it's not illegal, it cannot be copyrighted. Sometimes new artists dont realize choosing the right shading gives their work more realism but they are afraid to touch it. Don't be. If you want to choose your own colors later, then do it that way. It's nice to know that you can choose a good color scheme, but if you really need help, just go ahead. Some people just use a gray scale to keep it basic so they can focus on the design more. It's a preference really.
As for your remodel, terra, do not take outlines as a reference. If you can't change it up enough it becomes basically a carbon copy. I've heard, depending what country you hail from, changing something up 30% for art can be claimed by you but I'm not sure where the figures in % add up to. Artists or viewers still may judge that it is not your art so it is best to avoid it. This is not a good practice if you are a beginner anyway. Use very little or single references and only when you need it, such as general shape, dithering (type of shading to bring out texture), AA (anti aliasing), color, etc. but don't use them all. You just want a concept from the art piece, not a remake. You don't have to copy paste the image to analyze it, you can just simply look at it and figure out how an artist done it. Though it doesn't mean if you copy it from your eyes and not your "Paste" feature it doesn't mean it's yours either. It helps me to draw things out on paper sometimes if I can't really start on a piece of work. To be honest, the rule of thumb is that if you can't draw good enough on paper, you probably won't do well enough on the computer either. Paper is more flexible and basic, it is perfect for learning basic shapes appearing more 3D or realistic. When you get that down you can come back and learn how pixel placement is important (including color for texture). Check the tutorial links on this site and practice those methods to become better. Believe it or not, practicing/studying helps a lot. I don't really recommend asking for help on this site (no offense to anyone here) simply because there are more professional areas to ask. It is also not active enough with skilled designers. This will avoid confusion from the viewer (anyone can view) to the artist (you) and instead you'll have a better chance of getting a more detailed response to what you need to improve on your artwork. Better to ask a pro before an experienced artist, this goes for any teacher really. This way you can refrain from relearning the proper way of performing pixel art, or the less sloppy way if you will. I find these two sites very helpful for this kind of thing: Way of the Pixel: http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php Pixel Joint: http://www.pixeljoint.com/forum/ I hope I helped any. Good luck! | |
So basically its okay if I us my own outline? But I can still stick with the pallete? Because I really do like the pallete and want the color scheme in there because it gives a naruto feeling to the piece. I can understand where your all going its okay to use a reference but I must try my best to form it into something I can call my own.
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Alright, I'm working on my design right now and I'll post for further crits. Thanks guys I really appreciate it ^_^
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To give it a gradient look o.o correct me if I'm wrong please lol. I want to become a good pixel artist.
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Terra-GX wrote:
I am working on a Naruto Game and I realized I cannot really make most of the stuff without a reference. So I decided to use my emulator and use some of the stuff from Path Of a Ninja as a reference. I used the desk from the academy as well as the same pallette and when I finished the turned out pretty alike but I could tell which one was mines obviously. So I wanted your opinions because I didnt rip it but I also am unsure. So please Comment I'd appreciate it. To be quite honest, this doesn't even look like a desk to me... Something along the lines of more definition and structure would help you straw away from 'Path Of A Ninjas' style to your own. Maybe reference something from Google, Bing, Ask, or Yahoo .com?  | |
Dark Vendetta wrote:
Terra-GX wrote: Sorry I didnt mean desk. Its really a seat. thats what they sit on. | |
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A seat? Er... You are far from a seat in my opinion... Take. Modify. Enjoy.  NOTE: Key word is Modify. I wasn't going to go into great detail for something I will never use or really need credit for. | |
Terra-GX wrote:
Alright how about this? Never look at another "pixelated" reference for a design. Find a reference thats not in pixeled format(watch naruto, try google, look at your living room). Have an idea of what kind of couch you would want, get your mind off wanting that couch thats already pixeled! Cause no matter what you'll just want to copy it. Thats like copying a base then making the head square or just simply modifying its height.  Look at B and the version you did, both which were influenced by the original reference, why does your version look exactly like it? Its as if there is a case of "Oneitis" where the artist doesn't want to make anything but one piece of art that's already been made since they believe that's the best thing there can be. That will never be true. The artist who made B was just looking for proper technique (in this case correct lightning perspectives and dithering technique). The artist who made yours just looks like he just literally spent the whole time trying to make his couch look different from the reference, lmao. Thats not art man. It's like you've put yourself in a position to build down rather then build up, you shouldn't have to stress and worry about things like that. The main moral is, just like when writing a report critics should have NO IDEA where you got your references from. So if you have to worry about someone who thinks you did it, then you probably did. | |