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*ripples in glass of water*
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OH GOD IT'S THE GUGHUNTASAURUS

I think Communism would be the best for of government if humans weren't such untrustworthy bastards. If that were the case, though, Anarchy would be better.

communism is a freaking form of government.

Hey man, so is facist nazism.

It was nothing, but Communism brought it to power faster than anybody could have thought possible.

And then it collapsed, yay food shortages and and abject poverty.

Besides the fact that Russian Stalinist communism was one of the most horrible disgusting governments ever. Mass ethnic cleansing for example.


Most of the communist governments that have been created have done terrible things. Russia, China ect.



Earthly communism requires suppression of human rights and free speech. Suppresses creativity and creates lots of nasty violence.

I'm sure Karl Marx had something better in mind when he wrote it, but hell I could write a book about overthrowing the world governments and every person on earth living in a mansion with purple flying hippos. Doesn't mean it's going to happen.





Oh and BY THE FREAKING WAY, have you fucking seen the propaganda in communist countries? Stop bitching, it's like x1000 there.

Humans are inherently both lazy and greedy... In order to fit us into a communist economy, and not have the entire thing grind to a screeching halt due to everyone becoming a freeloader, you need to have an extremely tight grip on the people... You have to force them to play along with your little experiment...

This is why communism and dictatorships go hand in hand... That's the only way to get a regime that is oppressive enough to squeeze people into communism...

And then it collapsed, yay food shortages and and abject poverty.

Because as usual, the US was competing for power with a foreign nation (cold war), and as usual, the USA won, and that's when Russia's economy collapsed. (Because of the US)

Besides the fact that Russian Stalinist communism was one of the most horrible disgusting governments ever. Mass ethnic cleansing for example.

I've never actually heard anybody bitching about facism or monarchy or even dictatorships.

Most of the communist governments that have been created have done terrible things. Russia, China ect.

Most government ever created have done terrible things. Including the USA just so you know.

Earthly communism requires suppression of human rights and free speech. Suppresses creativity and creates lots of nasty violence.

Not really. Don't know where you got that from.

Communism has never been applied.

And a similar statement can be made about democracy, Knifo. It's rule by appealing to the credulous, uneducated masses - look at how George Bush is still in power!

*ripples in glass of water*

Actually there's an interesting story about that. The director (Spielberg, IIRC) visualized the ripple effect he wanted, but when his crew tried to duplicate it, they couldn't find any conditions that would produce it! Finally, though, one of them stumbled on it by accident, when a glass of water (or coffee, or whatever) was sitting on a guitar, and strumming happened to produce the very effect they'd been looking for.

That said... RARRR! COMMIES!!!

Wildrogue, I'll mention a couple quick "fun facts" about communism and you can take 'em or leave 'em.

First, Marxist communism (I mention Marx because before he came on the scene, there were all kinds of schemes involving communes and communal societies -- some very religious -- that styled themselves "communists") is based on a few essential ideas. Most people know about Marx's hopes for the elimination of private property; a lot of people know about his hopes for the abolition of religion ("the opiate of the masses," as Marx called it); but fewer people know about his hopes for the abolition of marriage and the family (the kind of family in which parents raise children, instead of the State raising them according to its own desires); and rarest of all are those who understand that the communist program explicitly endorsed the idea that the goal of communism justified any means of accomplishing it, no matter how deceitful, dishonorable, sadistic, or murderous.

You will often hear people say things like "communism would be an ideal form of government, if only people were nicer." But they're wrong. Niceness has nothing to do with it; the only way communism could be anything better than a hell on earth -- as it proved to be, again and again, in the twentieth century -- would be if people literally abandoned every hope of ambition or inspiration. As long as one person is capable of producing more than another (whether the "production" is tractor parts or ideas), communism will dictate that the rewards of his "surplus" productivity must be reallocated to those who produce less. But when you demand effort and fail to reward it, there is no incentive for your subject to make a special effort -- hence, in the long run, every laborer will learn to do the bare minimum he can get away with; and moreover, any desire he might have had to help his less fortunate brethren will be utterly squelched by the knowledge that under the communist system, the less fortunate are not merely asking for help, but are using the communist government as a gun pointed at his head (metaphorically speaking).

If you are really interested in the subject, I recommend Whittaker Chambers' "Witness." It's a large book but well worth reading.

Oh, poor Gug. Just another misinformed teenager brainwashed by the eeeeevil U.S. government, which is solely responsible for creating anti-Communist sentiment. It is well-known historical fact among those who aren't brainless sheep that prior to the advent of the eeeeevil U.S. government, communist philosophy was well-respected and loved by everyone everywhere, especially in Europe, where Communism was invented. It was only when the eeeeevil U.S. government stepped in with its sinister propaganda machine and said "Boo Communism!" that everyone spontaneously was fooled into thinking that Communism was a bad thing.

All governments spread propaganda. It is the best way to ensure power. While I disagree with it, I also realise it is necessary. If governments were to truly grant people their rights, they would lose power. The more free your people truly are, the less power you can command over them. The US tends to use propaganda to keep their people inline while giving the illusion of freedom.

Now, people are going to call me a "pinko" or a "traitor", saying I hate the US. But I don't, I hate facist governments that force a set of ideals down someones throat.

Marxism is a utopian concept that will never work because people are too stupid. Whenever a country converts to a marxist form of government, it usually descends into chaos, this results in the formation of a government. However, the government is usually started by someone who just wishes for power.

Now, the only perfect form of government would be if everyone decided to follow me.