"If the U.S. so happens to lose the war, and the Iraqi's come over into the U.S. and started attacking, I would fight to stay alive."
First off the war ended a month after it started, toppling the government was easy, the US was fighting its 30 year old gear, so its not like it was going to have any problems. Insurgency, security and riot control aren't counted in war, war is for high-key conflict, Insurgency is low-key. The Insurgency is almost completely reliant on bombs, not gun battles. If it was gun battles then it could be considered low-key war. Because its almost completely on roadside bombs however, its a security issue, not a war one.
Holy crap, I was reading this just a few moments ago with three replies.
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Airjoe: Yeah, those were purchased, quite legally from the US government, for use against the Kurds in the north. Anyone with pre-2003 history of Iraq can tell you that. Back then the west was against Kurdish insurgency, these days we're a lot more meh. Turkey has a huge problem with it, especially as the Kurdish Workers Party mostly collects itself in the Iraq region, but the Iraqi Kurds are quite loyal now to the overall national Iraqi government, bearing in mind they have quite a lot of autonomy over their own region. It was a different story back then though.
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You missed the point.
I'm not denying we sold them to him. I'm saying that A: He lied about destroying them all, B: They were still potentially lethal, and C: He was hiding them. What else could he have been hiding, Acebloke? | |
"What else could he have been hiding, Acebloke?"
That's true, but in the end he didn't have anything we didn't know he had, in the US the threat of Iraqi weapon development was the main cause forwarding the idea. Over here it was more "Saddam is a bad man; and maybe have weapons we don't know about". His failure over many years to comply with weapon inspections backed that up. The US was claiming however that they had evidence there was some, when the failure to allow UN weapon inspectors is good enough a reason to goto war. I was and am pro-war, so it doesn't bother me that much. | |
i'm surprised Ter13 hasn't posted on this yet
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Solbadguy500 wrote:
i'm surprised Ter13 hasn't posted on this yet he did, in another thread. | |
Ok, guys. It's 7:40. 20 more mins, and WWE is on. I guess I'll go do something else besides be on the computer.
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I would like to thank everyone for debating with me today. I couldn't take those army commercials anymore, so I just came online and posted how I felt. I know the majority of people disagree, but then again, there are some people who do agree with me. Maybe some are just too afraid to debate, maybe others just haven't seen the post yet.
In conclusion, thank you for having a nice, solid debate with me. I've said what I needed to say, and now I'm off to watch television. G'night. [edit] Almost forgot. Someone pagered me about my age. I'm 13. o.O | |
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Almost forgot. Someone pagered me about my age. I'm 13. o.O Thats why you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. | |
since im too lazy to read all these he is saying the war in iraw is completly unneeded or it was?
when if we didnt Saddam would have probally started an alliance with enimies of the U.S to attack the U.S? Btw when i first saw it he first stated this was an opinon now he says its a fact anyone see something wrong? | |
Okay, I'm not wasting my time reading through the 70+ Comments this Flam about the service caused, so some of my points may have been brought up already.
-First off, don't criticize the U.S. Military, They Fight for you're right to post this crap. -Then, entering any branch of the service is not being enslaved. You get a signing bonus(Mine was $40,000), the chance to go to college, and a chance to get out of the service after you've served your fill of the government. On top of that, you are fed, provided housing, full medical insurance, clothing, and a chance to gain an education that you couldn't get in normal society. -Next, don't call entering the service slavery, they're not even on the same playing field. Slavery is enslaving someone, which means they aren't allowed to leave in any circumstance, unless sold or traded. There is no draft, so don't bring it up at all. Slaves were normally beaten for doing nearly nothing wrong, or not meeting their masters expectations. That doesn't happen in the military. You're forced to force yourself, not beaten. You may be a bit confused on what happens in Basic Training, so here's the gist: 1) You sign up, get guaranteed a field(like infantry, or on that order), and get promised an enlistment bonus 2) Pass the required tests(For ARMY it's the Army Physical Fitness Test), and Exams. 3) Once you get to Basic, they break you. Not physically, but mentally. And not by "cutting off fingers" or "beating", but rather by yelling, and screaming at you while pushing yourself physically, causing you to break mentally. Then, they rebuild your mind, and spirit, by introducing how to work as a team. -In conclusion, before you go off on a rant calling the government a bunch of slave drivers, try finding out the facts. | |
"when if we didnt Saddam would have probally started an alliance with enimies of the U.S to attack the U.S?"
Thats actually a load of crap, Iraq bummed itself in the Gulf war and the Iraq-Iran war, it was weak, it was poor, it was pretty damn terrible place to live, and then there was the chemical weapon attacks on their own people. Osama asked for Saddam to help, to even house him in Iraq, but Saddam actually told him to p*ss off. In 2002 though, Iraq switched from trading in USD to the Euro. After the war it got switched back. | |
Other than the extreme patriotism, which is dangerous, I have to agree with Disturbed Puppy :p The US military has and still does do a lot of bad things, some even illegal by international and human rights laws.
The war in Iraq however was not a bad thing, although they did do some questionable things like bombing whole towns. | |
thus why i said probally i dont consider myself an expert on iraq
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Yeah, I'm not gonna go into the fray of the Geo-Political Conflict(It isn't a war, don't listen to CNN or Fox...or even the Casa Blanca)). But My post was about Basic Training Only. That isn't Special Forces of any sort, where people...expire during training, but that is highly restricted and monitored. Also, I didn't address money squandering, Corruption, or anything on the order of Breaking Geneva Convention, mainly because they do do that...all the time. I'm not a flag waiver, even thought I'm enlisted(USCG), thus I had to clear up some of the misconceptions.
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Im not gonna read the other 83 posts, but I dont agree with all the things you said, but some.
-It's true, dont try to deny it, the people who join the army are to stupid to do anything else. They are the rednecks who couldnt make it into college and such. Maybe there are a few decent ones who are there becuase they cant afford college, and are doing it to go to college after words but... you know. Even Kerry said it. -It's not slavery, they chose to sign up ,unless your talking about a draft. | |
But everyone knows Kerry is stupid.
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Okay, explain your stand on that. they're either all poor or rednecks? have you ever heard of a Military Academy? The requirements to get into one of those is above par of any other 4-year university. Not someone who's a hick or too poor to afford college. Also, the majority of enlistees are catholic, which means they're either Latino, or from the north. NOT rednecks(who are mostly some form of Protestant). That's a sad stereotype. Finally, There's my case. A) I'm not from this country. B) I could have gone to a University(Accepted to Boston College, then later rebutted on it). I recently enlisted in the Coast Guard(last month). So STFU, You're a disgrace to your family, and an even worse disgrace to your country.
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"While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal."
"But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions."
"...on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them..."