"Fuck off, Worldweaver."

Hahah, nice way to lose an argument.

You are the one who has obviously not read the bible.

AGAINST modern values, like freedom of religion

What the fuck are you talking about? Because telling people to convert means there should be no other religions. No where in the bible does it say THERE MUST BE NO OTHER RELIGIONS.

like freedom of religion - and the other half generally miss several important crimes - like "Don't rape people", for starters. Where is the mention of copyright in the Bible? For every verse that says "Don't kill", you can find ten of people killing other people because God told them to.

Exactly bud, people and these people get punished. The bible has overtones douchebag, overtones that are so blatantly obvious that I wonder why in hell you can't understand them. WHEN THE FUCKING COMMANDMENT SAYS "Do not kill" the message the bible sends can't get much clearer.

Comparing the Bible to fascism is possibly going too far - Hitler only tried to genocide Jews, homosexuals, the disabled, and Gypsies. God goes further. Sorry, Hitler.

Um, actually... no. You just need to stop talking before your head explodes from all the bullshit that's coming out.


To make this commonly known, I'm not religious.

Worldweaver wrote:

Hahah, nice way to lose an argument.

You are the one who has obviously not read the bible.

Haha, nice copout, dick.

What the fuck are you talking about? Because telling people to convert means there should be no other religions. No where in the bible does it say THERE MUST BE NO OTHER RELIGIONS.

"Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Oh, plus the billion times the Israelis killed the Gentiles.

Exactly bud, people and these people get punished. The bible has overtones douchebag, overtones that are so blatantly obvious that I wonder why in hell you can't understand them. WHEN THE FUCKING COMMANDMENT SAYS "Do not kill" the message the bible sends can't get much clearer.

Okay.

Exodus 21:1-4 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself."

Deuteronomy 15:12-18 "And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him."

Exodus 21:7 "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do."

I see what you're getting at man!

Um, actually... no. You just need to stop talking before your head explodes from all the bullshit that's coming out.

Your arguing is great. "YOU'RE WRONG SO STOP ARGUING BECAUSE YOU'LL EMBARRASS YOURSELF."

To make this commonly known, I'm not religious.

And you can also fuck off.

Squeegy wrote:

I will leave it at this.

What made God?

No you are also stupid. If God truly exists, He exists outside of the laws of the natural universe, meaning He wouldn't require a "creator," because creation only exists in our world, with our laws.

You also can't "leave it at this" if you weren't even debating. Sorry.

I do sort of see the "God doesn't need anything to create him, but the universe needs God and can't come from anywhere" 'argument' as a form of special pleading, but as long as you allow other stuff - e.g., universes - to spring into being without being created, there's no real reason why not, Squeegy.

Errrrr... what?

You don't know what I'm talking about, do you?

Yes, the Big Bang was the creation of the universe - but nothing caused it. This is what I was discussing. As nothing caused the Bang, nothing caused the universe.

Furthermore, the Bang has nothing to do with dust rubbing together, because not only was there no dust before it, there was also no space for dust to exist in time or time for dust to continue to be dust in. The Big Bang wasn't even an explosion - it's the universe coming into existence at an infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitely small point.

Squeegy wrote:

or something.

Heh, a lot of good points were brought up and ignored in this topic, actually. I found it pretty fun to read.

I'm pretty religious, to a degree, I don't believe in worship, as Jesus said that those who worship before a crowd are often false followers.

I believe in God, in a way. I simply believe God is that which we all live by, a system. Chemistry, Biology, Mathematics, Physics, not some deity, but a greater force that transcends the concept of a being, but simply IS existence.

However, that's sort of irrelevant. I believe humans are genuinely murderous, selfish whores, all born to be killers, and bred to be liars. This, is why I believe people have killed each other since the beginning of our existence. Perhaps that's the cause of the crusades, perhaps that's the cause of all the religious wars since the dawn of man...

I'm not really a scholar, though, so I dunno, everything I'm saying probably all just ignorant justifications for the way the world is, and is just my way of coping with what I was born into.

I don't really concern myself with it, though, prayer is just a way of organizing my thoughts, of finding my goal for the day, and for remembering those I care about. To me, religion isn't evil, just those who twist it to their own sick wills...

Meh, I need to do something... I'm bored again...

Squeegy wrote:

Ben G wrote:

Squeegy wrote:

I will leave it at this.

What made God?

No you are also stupid. If God truly exists, He exists outside of the laws of the natural universe, meaning He wouldn't require a "creator," because creation only exists in our world, with our laws.

So God existed with nothing that made him. He spontaneously existed and made everything that exists. Eh?

You also can't "leave it at this" if you weren't even debating. Sorry.

It's called 'ending the topic' or 'leaving the discussion'.

The very concept of a god cannot be totally proved or disproved as all methods made to prove/disprove use concepts which by it's very nature a diety would be exempt from.

I am not a theist but we can never disprove a god but we can disprove the god in the way most religions reprisent it.

I'm agreeing with Jp here. If you're going to say that gods can't be disproved, then you should also say that the Matrix can't be disproved, shave your head, wear rags and start taking lots of red pills*.
It's an untrue until proven true situation here (makes sense to me).


*hey wait, maybe drug-addict homeless people believe in the matrix!

Nor is the burden of disproof on atheists. If you choose not to believe, then by all means, don't.

Most respectable theists will not care either way.