Nov 5 2006, 3:28 pm
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Knifo
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Listen, i cant think about this topic anymore, my brain just goes boom from the thought of what could actually be out there. So i have no response. But I capitolized GOD, becuase its gramatically correct.
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Jp wrote:
Why the hell do you always capitalise the word 'god'? I was going to yap about pronouns for a while, but I just noticed he was capitalizing all three letters of it. That is odd. What's up with that? Edit: Wouldn't it be God instead of GOD? You don't type SARM or KNIFO or ATHK...well, he doesn't count, but you know what I mean. | |
No, it is not grammatically correct to capitalise 'god'. If you're referring to the Christian/Muslim/Jewish deity, it's 'God'. FIRST LETTER ONLY. Because it's a proper noun.
If you're referring to the concept of god - i.e., not the Christian one, just any old god - then it's just 'god', because it's not a a name. You don't say CHICKEN, do you, when referring to a chicken? | |
hahaha, i just realized i was capitalizing the whole word GOD, my bad :P
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Uh.. did you actually read the Bible before asking any of these questions? With all due respect, you really make yourself look stupid just asking these questions when all you have to do is open the Bible and read it.
The reason why there are different translations of the Bible is because, obviously, some may be easier for others to read. "Why did Jesus command us to hate our parents and children (Luke 14:26)?" It is not a literal hate. Type in "Luke 14:26" into Google. The first thing on the list should give you your answer. Basic Bible knowledge. You know what, please, just save me my time and look all the references up. | |
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The reason why there are different translations of the Bible is because, obviously, some may be easier for others to read." OH THAT EXPLAINS WHY DIFFERENT TRANSLATIONS HAVE TOTALLY DIFFERENT MEANINGS AND SAY ALMOST COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS RIGHT WELL THANK YOU I DIDN'T KNOW THAT....... | |
Hey, Zorato, why is it that the only text called 'the ten commandments' in the Bible isn't the standard set of ten that we get shown all the time? (Exodus 34, read on a bit)
Why did God decide that a man picking up sticks on the sabbath should be stoned to death? (Numbers 15:32) Why does God command the Israelites to perform not just one genocide, but seven? (Deuteronomy 7:1, 20:16) Yeah, the Bible is a great book. | |
Jp wrote:
Why does God command the Israelites to perform not just one genocide, but seven? (Deuteronomy 7:1, 20:16) Because everybody else is heathen. Israel holds God's chosen people, which is why Palestine and Israel are fighting over it right now. They're fighting over who gets to be God's chosen people. Duh. | |
I'm aware, I'm just questioning why a deity commonly held to be omnibenevolent is more evil then Hitler. :P
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Oh crap, I meant to be joking, but I guess I was actually telling the truth.
Oops. | |
For some reason, the line in Weird Al's 'Amish Paradise' comes to mind.
""I'm at least a million times more humble than thou art!" Except if you swap out humility with love for your fellow man, or something. "I'm a better person because I can blow myself into more pieces than you can." "No way, I challenge you!" *Boom* *Boom* | |
"There were many diffrent versions of the Bible"
This is where Islam comes on top :P There is only one version, course, neither the Bible nor the Quran was written in English, the translations can be slightly different, which does bring some problems, but not anywhere near as many as Christianity gets. Haven't read the other comments, I got work to do :o | |
Solbadguy500 wrote:
" Completely different meanings? No. Different words with the same meaning? Yes. Where in the world do you get this knowledge that you speak? It is false. | |
Jp wrote:
Hey, Zorato, why is it that the only text called 'the ten commandments' in the Bible isn't the standard set of ten that we get shown all the time? (Exodus 34, read on a bit) I don't understand what you mean. The ten commandments have always been the same. They may be worded differently to appeal to the modern era. (KJV -> NIV) "Why did God decide that a man picking up sticks on the sabbath should be stoned to death? (Numbers 15:32)" - Because the man violated the law that God made. Duh. "Why does God command the Israelites to perform not just one genocide, but seven? (Deuteronomy 7:1, 20:16)" - To put it simply, corruption would surely be manifested if one were to make treaties with a nation that he destroyed. I fail to see why you must be sarcastic. A lot of the questions people are asking is basic knowledge. | |
Acebloke wrote:
"There were many diffrent versions of the Bible" The King James Version brought a lot of problems. The New International Version fixed many of them (if not all). | |
I don't understand what you mean. The ten commandments have always been the same. They may be worded differently to appeal to the modern era. (KJV -> NIV) Zorato, they're not worded differently. They're completely different. And by completely, I mean almost entirely. Note that this is the only set of rules in the bible called "the ten commandments". I suggest you actually read the verses I mentioned as evidence. (1) Do not worship any god other than Yahweh. (2) Do not make molten gods. (3) Keep the feast of unleavened bread. (4) The firstborn offspring of every cow and sheep is to be sacrificed to God. (5) The seventh day of each week is set aside to rest. (6) Observe the feast of weeks. (7) All male children must appear before God three times per year. (8) The blood of a sacrifice shall not be offered together with yeast, nor shall the sacrifice of the Passover feast be left until the next morning. (9) The "first of the firstfruits" of the land are to be brought before God. (10) Do not boil a baby goat in its mother's milk. Those are the ten commandments. The standard set that we get told all the time are never referred to as the ten commandments in the Bible. Oops. Because the man violated the law that God made. Duh. I suppose you just sit at home and do absolutely no work every sunday, then? The point I'm making here is that it's a ridiculously harsh punishment to a ridiculously stupid rule, especially for a deity that's commonly held to be omnibenevolent. It's stupid. I sure as hell wouldn't worship such a cruel and arbitrary tyrant. To put it simply, corruption would surely be manifested if one were to make treaties with a nation that he destroyed. Oh, of course! I see now! It's all clear to me! That's why you worship a being who commanded his people to kill every single person belonging to seven different tribes! I mean, letting the noncombatants live would have corrupted the Israelites horribly. Especially the children. Better just to kill them all. Remember to rape the virgin women first, though. Zorato, the reason I'm being sarcastic is because you're defending the indefensible. The Bible is an extremely old book written by people who didn't have quite the civilised look on life that we do. If you want to use it as a moral guidebook, fine. But hopefully you'll understand if I'm a little wary of someone who thinks wiping seven different groups of people off the face of the Earth because they're currently inhabiting a place you want to inhabit is okay. | |
The commandments you listed are not -the- Ten Commandments, but the commandments of the old covenant, or the "Ritual Decalogue". The Ten Commandments known today is called the "Ethical Decalogue". To also answer your second point,-
"I suppose you just sit at home and do absolutely no work every sunday, then? The point I'm making here is that it's a ridiculously harsh punishment to a ridiculously stupid rule, especially for a deity that's commonly held to be omnibenevolent. It's stupid. I sure as hell wouldn't worship such a cruel and arbitrary tyrant." -the old covenant made between man and God has been replaced by a new covenant, which was made when Jesus died and rose from the dead. Thus the "Ritual Decalogue" is not followed today. The third point, however sarcastic you make it out to be, can also be answered easily. However, one must not do much research to find the answer, for the answer lies in the very next verse- "16 - However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. 17 - Completely destroy them - the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites - as the LORD your God has commanded you. 18 - Otherwise, they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshiping their gods, and you will sin against the LORD your God." The nations listed worshiped idols and were incredibly immoral. | |
The commandments you listed are not -the- Ten Commandments, but the commandments of the old covenant, or the "Ritual Decalogue". The Ten Commandments known today is called the "Ethical Decalogue". To also answer your second point,- That's nice. They're never called 'the ten commandments' anywhere in the bible. (Even then, about half of them are religious in nature and distinctly inethical). -the old covenant made between man and God has been replaced by a new covenant, which was made when Jesus died and rose from the dead. Thus the "Ritual Decalogue" is not followed today. Oh, that's lovely. Does that mean that the things we call 'the ten commandments' today aren't part of it anymore, too, seeing as they're in Exodus? Oops. And saying "it's not like that now" is entirely irrelevant to the fact that God supposedly got someone executed horribly for picking up sticks on the sabbath. Executed horribly. For picking up sticks. And you worship this guy? The nations listed worshiped idols and were incredibly immoral. Oh, they worship idols, better kill them all. Incredibly immoral? Kill them all. No hope of reform. No, not even THE CHILDREN are to be left alive. Cattle? Kill 'em. Goats? Kill 'em. Chickens? Kill 'em. Babies? Kill 'em. Whichever way you wrangle it, God supposedly commands the genocide of seven different groups of people. Genocide. I'm sure the entirety of their society was horrible and utterly irredeemable, but maybe you could go a little slower on the whole putting them all to the sword thing? Yeah. (I suppose you approve of genocide if the nation or group you're genociding is immoral in your eyes, then. Lovely.) | |
Religious arguments are about as meaningful as eating your own brain. All it does is make you stupider and hurt you.
God doesn't exist. If you want to believe, go right ahead. All it means is you fall under another system of rules to be controled by the masses. You give away your money to the church (note: Alot of child sexual abuse right there.) for them to waste on whatever they feel necessary. You spend your nights praying and your sundays demanding forgivness for crimes of such a low nature, that no one really cares. I bet that hardly any of the religious fanatics what day the sabbath it. >.> For those wondering, it's Saturday. Sunday is the beginning of the week and Monday is the beginning of the working week. Hints why Saturday is the start of the "Week End." "Thou shalt not kill" and as JP mentioned, a person was stoned for picking up sticks because he didn't obey "Gods law." CONTRADICTION! "You can't break the laws I set, but break this law so you can kill the person who broke the other law. Whoo!" "You must not work on the Sabbath" - People who do work are condemmed to death. Because that's an even trade. I'd rather work than sit on my ass doing shit all nothing for 24 hours. Surprisingly, from Chapter 6 onwards, of the book "The Ten Commandments" I actually read in grade 4. I can't remember shit about it now because, I just don't care. You tend to stop giving a fuck when a "man of god" comes into your class room and says: "Who here has ever gone into a shop, asked for a milky way and never recieved it? Well, did you know, that if you pray to god, before walking into the shop, you will get one?" I mean, what the fuck kind of brainwashing bullshit is that!? Your god and your bibile are surrounded by a pack of contradictive lies. The bible are the words of god. So, how can the words of god be rewritten by man? There are several different versions of the bibile, from the free red ones given away to us in year 7 to the ones found in motel rooms. Not-a one of them, matches the other word for word. Explain that sir. This god business is a bunch of poolhoggy designed to keep control of the masses. It's pretty bloody obvious. No different to rules an administrator sets down to his community. You're the creator of a community, you are it's god. The rules you set down must be obeyed or the punishment is Ban. In Comparisen with real life, death. Banishment from the community never to return. So to avode banning, this death of their communitive existance, they obey your rules, and no matter who they are, respect you. Even if they dislike you, they will kiss your ass so you wont kill them. That's what this god figure is. Just a way for the administrators of our ancient communities to control us. But we as a species have evolved. Now we've established this community. But the administrator can't be around every day, now can he? So what does he do. He apoints Moderators to aid him. These preists, these moderators continue to spread the word of our administrator in order to secure a tighter grip on the rein of mankind. To prove we mean business, we will abuse this power and commit genocide on an entire user group! Intervean here - I love the fact I'm comparing god and his followers to the staff of a simple phpBB forum <.< And yeah, the rest is easy. Personally, I've converted one god-believing fellow, and he is much more free to enjoy his life. Take that religion! | |
That's nice. They're never called 'the ten commandments' anywhere in the bible. (Even then, about half of them are religious in nature and distinctly inethical). The name 'Ten Commandments' is mentioned a couple times in the Bible. Here is one of them: Deuteronomy 4:13 "So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone." Oh, that's lovely. Does that mean that the things we call 'the ten commandments' today aren't part of it anymore, too, seeing as they're in Exodus? Oops. No. As I said before, the Ten Commandments is the "Ethical Decalogue". The commandments you listed is the "Ritual Decalogue". Saying that the Ten Commandments are no longer followed because they are Exodus is ridiculous. And saying "it's not like that now" is entirely irrelevant to the fact that God supposedly got someone executed horribly for picking up sticks on the sabbath. Executed horribly. For picking up sticks. That is how it used to be with the old covenant. Oh, they worship idols, better kill them all. Incredibly immoral? Kill them all. No hope of reform. Those nations burned their children in honor of false gods, practiced sodomy and bestiality, among many other disgusting things. Think of it like this: it is the same like a surgeon does not refrain from amputating a gangrenous limb, even though in so doing he can not help cutting off healthy flesh. | |