"What's the code for..." (A message for newbies)

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Jun 1 2001, 9:15 pm
In response to jobe
While you're at it, Jobe, you may as well try to make a 1:1 scale model of the earth. Not only is such an exercise impossible, but it would be pointless, because we already have a 1:1 scale model: the earth itself. The point of roleplaying is not to recreate reality (a pointless exercise if there ever was one... we can't even agree that reality exists to be recreated), but to deconstruct it and put it back together in scale, with specific features highlighted. If you like combat, you highlight the violent parts, the struggles and the conflicts. If you like intrigue, you highlight the social aspects, the political. And so on. What are you highlighting?

In your quest to create the ultimate in realistic MUDs, you're going to have to make choices about what realism to put in and what realism to leave out... there's just not enough hours in the eternity, after all, to put in everything. The choices you make are going to reflect your real priorities. True, sex in MUDs was on topic, but I don't see you piping up every time someone mentions the weather or anything else the way you sound off about sex and excretion whenever you get the chance to.

As it happens, I have planned a MUD that included a pretty brutal sexual reproductive system... the game revolved around trolls living in the sewer of a medieval town. The source of food was other trolls (not always fatal.... these trolls regenerated, like in D&D), and the Yoomins (troll pronunciation of Human) that lived above. I trashed that project, because while the characters for me would be nothing more than an unusual roleplaying challenge, I know such a game would inevitably become a haven for creeps. Someday I might come back to it... but I'll probably leave the sex out. You said yourself you expect the sex features to be "abused." If you know how they're going to be used, and you make it anyway, then the way you expect them to be used becomes their proper use.

You want to put in computer-generated consequences for computer-generated actions, but you're not giving much thought to real consequences or actions. As an artist, I appreciate the beauty of a well-aimed shot of brutality... but firing off a full clip on automatic fire into a dark room full of people I've never met is simply irresponsible.

On 6/1/01 11:23 pm jobe wrote:
On 6/1/01 11:14 pm LexyBitch wrote:
I know what words you used. I wouldn't have been offended if you had said it some other way. Granted, you're going to have all those other things, but why do you keep telling people about the sexual and toilet-related parts of the "realism?" Why don't you go around talking about the weather patterns and interactiveness?

LexyMUD, for the record, is going to support ALL forms of sexual interaction, not just the ones I deem twisted enough to suit my tastes. It's called the emote command.

well as i look at stuff i usually think i should have said that differantly but er...... oh yeah... the thread had changed topics to sex in muds.. so i figured i would just (try to)post that a mud with sex in it did not have to be taboo.. and for the game emote would not work becase i wanted to include the after math of sex and stuff.. (like STDs)..... i dunno..im just not with it some (i mean most) days.. i have just been fooling around with the idea behind these life sims..

oh yeah i hardly ever try to offend anyone.. i just cant say what i mean becase i have tought myself not to think verbaly... that and i just never think about how others are going to interpret what i say.. i just say it in the easyest way posible..
Jun 2 2001, 5:46 am
In response to LexyBitch
On 6/2/01 12:15 am LexyBitch wrote:
While you're at it, Jobe, you may as well try to make a 1:1 scale model of the earth. Not only is such an exercise impossible, but it would be pointless, because we already have a 1:1 scale model: the earth itself. The point of roleplaying is not to recreate reality (a pointless exercise if there ever was one... we can't even agree that reality exists to be recreated), but to deconstruct it and put it back together in scale, with specific features highlighted. If you like combat, you highlight the violent parts, the struggles and the conflicts. If you like intrigue, you highlight the social aspects, the political. And so on. What are you highlighting?

In your quest to create the ultimate in realistic MUDs, you're going to have to make choices about what realism to put in and what realism to leave out... there's just not enough hours in the eternity, after all, to put in everything. The choices you make are going to reflect your real priorities. True, sex in MUDs was on topic, but I don't see you piping up every time someone mentions the weather or anything else the way you sound off about sex and excretion whenever you get the chance to.

As it happens, I have planned a MUD that included a pretty brutal sexual reproductive system... the game revolved around trolls living in the sewer of a medieval town. The source of food was other trolls (not always fatal.... these trolls regenerated, like in D&D), and the Yoomins (troll pronunciation of Human) that lived above. I trashed that project, because while the characters for me would be nothing more than an unusual roleplaying challenge, I know such a game would inevitably become a haven for creeps. Someday I might come back to it... but I'll probably leave the sex out. You said yourself you expect the sex features to be "abused." If you know how they're going to be used, and you make it anyway, then the way you expect them to be used becomes their proper use.

You want to put in computer-generated consequences for computer-generated actions, but you're not giving much thought to real consequences or actions. As an artist, I appreciate the beauty of a well-aimed shot of brutality... but firing off a full clip on automatic fire into a dark room full of people I've never met is simply irresponsible.

the reason i dont tell everyone im going to have weather system and a day and night system is becase most MUDs already have that. the point of that post(not done verry well i might add) was to prove that a MUD can have sex and sexuality without it being to taboo... i dident make my point verry well i admit.. the thing was i have played a few MUDs that have things like this but somehow it was not abused.. oh nevermind.. i apoligise already.. Im sorry.
Jun 3 2001, 3:40 am
In response to jobe
On 6/1/01 11:23 pm jobe wrote:
the game emote would not work becase i wanted to include the after math of sex and stuff.. (like STDs)

Do STDs increase the fun of your game? If they don't then you are wasting time coding it in, and quite possibly driving away a large audience.

I have a game called Star Trail. It's an old one, but it is one of the most realistic games out there. If you forget to wear shoes, you'll catch a cold. Too much realism killed the fun of the game.

On a related note, how heroic is it to win a battle because your enemy's crap-meter is full and you wouldn't let him defecate before the battle?
Jun 3 2001, 7:31 am
In response to Shadowdarke
On 6/3/01 6:40 am Shadowdarke wrote:
On 6/1/01 11:23 pm jobe wrote:
the game emote would not work becase i wanted to include the after math of sex and stuff.. (like STDs)

Do STDs increase the fun of your game? If they don't then you are wasting time coding it in, and quite possibly driving away a large audience.

I have a game called Star Trail. It's an old one, but it is one of the most realistic games out there. If you forget to wear shoes, you'll catch a cold. Too much realism killed the fun of the game.

On a related note, how heroic is it to win a battle because your enemy's crap-meter is full and you wouldn't let him defecate before the battle?

yeah STDs do add to the fun... well for the admin watching as the player is complaining that he has to itch ever 10 mins or lower his armor class becase he is too busy scwerming around.. this is how i plan to make it not too abused.. another thing is only one NPC is going to start out with each STD. (i have over 100 differant NPCs useing suzzums mad hatter code) but im not going to say who.. youll have to find out.. the really cool thing about it is some of them dont even tell you you have one. so this makes for some fun game play.. note that all but the magical ones can be cured.
Jun 3 2001, 9:02 am
In response to jobe
note that all but the magical ones can be cured.

So much for "realism." You know in real life, many of the more common STDs are incurable, and only treatable. And your response that it would be fun for the admin watching the player... well, if you're making your games to be fun for yourself over your players... then good luck getting players.
Jun 3 2001, 9:12 am
In response to jobe
(i have over 100 differant NPCs useing suzzums mad hatter code)

It's not mine, it's MadhatZero's. But he doesn't use BYOND anymore, so I'm keeping it going.
Jun 3 2001, 12:23 pm
In response to LexyBitch

as i said befor this is not the point of the game. it is just an addition. as for it being fun for the admin.. well.. i was makeing the point that (unlike alot of RPGs)im not going to cure or help players ICly with admin powers.. this haveing the affect of:

well if your stupid enof to go at it with a night hag then its your own damn falt! live with it!

anyway i have desided that im going to have the code i have now taret a differant demogrphic (that dose not include you). so im going to leave this code out of most of my games and only add it into my games like Dark Tower:30 years after nuclear war, Drug Wars, and Bar Hopper: The quest for stronger beer!

so if you see any of these in the Games Live! list then do not drop in if you are Lexy, Spuzzum, or anyone else under the age of 16. These games will clearly be marked with Jobe's Games

Jobe's Games are rated R and require consent of your leagal gardion if you are under that age of 18. Please follow all of your local laws when thinking about playing ANY of Jobe's games. Jobe and/or Jobe Net shall be in no way responsible for any damages to you or you computer/softwear. Jobe nor Jobe Net will be acountible for use of Jobe's Games in any ileagle manner. all mispellings here should be ignored. By playing any of Jobe's Games you agree that the stupidity of Jobe dose not mean Void of contract and anything that happens with, around, in, and/or about Jobe's Games is your own damn fault and Jobe nor Jobe Net can be held responsible. none of Jobe's Games have any warranty of any kind. So please never play one of Jobe's Games if it is unlawfull to do so in your area.


On 6/3/01 12:02 pm LexyBitch wrote:
note that all but the magical ones can be cured.

So much for "realism." You know in real life, many of the more common STDs are incurable, and only treatable. And your response that it would be fun for the admin watching the player... well, if you're making your games to be fun for yourself over your players... then good luck getting players.
Jun 3 2001, 12:28 pm
In response to jobe
You just totally dodged my point. You claim you want this stuff for realism, but you're not handling it realistically (i.e., having curable STDs). Obviously, a sense of realism isn't your real motivation, as I have been suggesting all along.

On 6/3/01 3:23 pm jobe wrote:
as i said befor this is not the point of the game. it is just an addition. as for it being fun for the admin.. well.. i was makeing the point that (unlike alot of RPGs)im not going to cure or help players ICly with admin powers.. this haveing the affect of:

well if your stupid enof to go at it with a night hag then its your own damn falt! live with it!

anyway i have desided that im going to have the code i have now taret a differant demogrphic (that dose not include you). so im going to leave this code out of most of my games and only add it into my games like Dark Tower:30 years after nuclear war, Drug Wars, and Bar Hopper: The quest for stronger beer!

so if you see any of these in the Games Live! list then do not drop in if you are Lexy, Spuzzum, or anyone else under the age of 16. These games will clearly be marked with Jobe's Games

Jobe's Games are rated R and require consent of your leagal gardion if you are under that age of 18. Please follow all of your local laws when thinking about playing ANY of Jobe's games. Jobe and/or Jobe Net shall be in no way responsible for any damages to you or you computer/softwear. Jobe nor Jobe Net will be acountible for use of Jobe's Games in any ileagle manner. all mispellings here should be ignored. By playing any of Jobe's Games you agree that the stupidity of Jobe dose not mean Void of contract and anything that happens with, around, in, and/or about Jobe's Games is your own damn fault and Jobe nor Jobe Net can be held responsible. none of Jobe's Games have any warranty of any kind. So please never play one of Jobe's Games if it is unlawfull to do so in your area.


On 6/3/01 12:02 pm LexyBitch wrote:
note that all but the magical ones can be cured.

So much for "realism." You know in real life, many of the more common STDs are incurable, and only treatable. And your response that it would be fun for the admin watching the player... well, if you're making your games to be fun for yourself over your players... then good luck getting players.
Jun 3 2001, 12:35 pm
In response to LexyBitch

ok alot of STDs are not cureable.. but look at it from a midevil point of view.. i mean lepers were thought to be magical.. and it was an STD (i dont know how it got that far though..) back then they drained blood to get rid of fevers and anything they could not get rid of was a magic curse...


On 6/3/01 3:28 pm LexyBitch wrote:
You just totally dodged my point. You claim you want this stuff for realism, but you're not handling it realistically (i.e., having curable STDs). Obviously, a sense of realism isn't your real motivation, as I have been suggesting all along.

On 6/3/01 3:23 pm jobe wrote:
as i said befor this is not the point of the game. it is just an addition. as for it being fun for the admin.. well.. i was makeing the point that (unlike alot of RPGs)im not going to cure or help players ICly with admin powers.. this haveing the affect of:

well if your stupid enof to go at it with a night hag then its your own damn falt! live with it!

anyway i have desided that im going to have the code i have now taret a differant demogrphic (that dose not include you). so im going to leave this code out of most of my games and only add it into my games like Dark Tower:30 years after nuclear war, Drug Wars, and Bar Hopper: The quest for stronger beer!

so if you see any of these in the Games Live! list then do not drop in if you are Lexy, Spuzzum, or anyone else under the age of 16. These games will clearly be marked with Jobe's Games

Jobe's Games are rated R and require consent of your leagal gardion if you are under that age of 18. Please follow all of your local laws when thinking about playing ANY of Jobe's games. Jobe and/or Jobe Net shall be in no way responsible for any damages to you or you computer/softwear. Jobe nor Jobe Net will be acountible for use of Jobe's Games in any ileagle manner. all mispellings here should be ignored. By playing any of Jobe's Games you agree that the stupidity of Jobe dose not mean Void of contract and anything that happens with, around, in, and/or about Jobe's Games is your own damn fault and Jobe nor Jobe Net can be held responsible. none of Jobe's Games have any warranty of any kind. So please never play one of Jobe's Games if it is unlawfull to do so in your area.


On 6/3/01 12:02 pm LexyBitch wrote:
note that all but the magical ones can be cured.

So much for "realism." You know in real life, many of the more common STDs are incurable, and only treatable. And your response that it would be fun for the admin watching the player... well, if you're making your games to be fun for yourself over your players... then good luck getting players.
Jun 3 2001, 1:54 pm
In response to jobe
Leprosy is not primarily sexually translated. Perhaps you're thinking of syphilis, which also causes rotting of extremities? I won't even bother to point out the other things wrong with your reasoning. Consider this my final point on the subject. As far as I'm concerned, your games are yours to make. I'm hardly a prude, but I don't think you're being honest with us or yourself about your reason for fixating on certain subjects.
Jun 3 2001, 2:40 pm
In response to jobe
so if you see any of these in the Games Live! list then do not drop in if you are Lexy, Spuzzum, or anyone else under the age of 16. These games will clearly be marked with Jobe's Games

Jobe's Games are rated R and require consent of your leagal gardion if you are under that age of 18. Please follow all of your local laws when thinking about playing ANY of Jobe's games. Jobe and/or Jobe Net shall be in no way responsible for any damages to you or you computer/softwear. Jobe nor Jobe Net will be acountible for use of Jobe's Games in any ileagle manner. all mispellings here should be ignored. By playing any of Jobe's Games you agree that the stupidity of Jobe dose not mean Void of contract and anything that happens with, around, in, and/or about Jobe's Games is your own damn fault and Jobe nor Jobe Net can be held responsible. none of Jobe's Games have any warranty of any kind. So please never play one of Jobe's Games if it is unlawfull to do so in your area.

I'm not under 16, I just don't agree that other people should have to read offensive things when they are reading a post on a public forum. In private games, yes, sex and drugs and whatever the hell else might be appropriate, but they should be added as an afterthought, not a crucial part of the game.

In fact, one of the reasons why I scrapped my idea to allow players to have sex in my game.
Jun 3 2001, 2:47 pm
In response to LexyBitch
On 6/3/01 4:54 pm LexyBitch wrote:
Leprosy is not primarily sexually translated. Perhaps you're thinking of syphilis, which also causes rotting of extremities? I won't even bother to point out the other things wrong with your reasoning. Consider this my final point on the subject. As far as I'm concerned, your games are yours to make. I'm hardly a prude, but I don't think you're being honest with us or yourself about your reason for fixating on certain subjects.


well the only reason i brought it up the first time is becase it was on topic.. and replying again and again is just that.. repling.. the game i am trying to make is going to have everything including the kicten sink (in the ritcher countrys), a well done economy(run by MOBs in the begining), day/night system, weather(not just random but calculated moveing slowly across my HUGE maps), over 100 differant personalitys for mobs, 27 differant countys each with 5-20 lords, 19 diffearnt foods and 14 diffearant digestive systems(to be given randomly),and anything else i can think of(this last one not yet implemented).
Jun 3 2001, 3:08 pm
In response to jobe
14 diffearant digestive systems(to be given randomly)

Now that's a new one on me...

Well, looks like your work is cut out for you! You've drummed up some publicity; now you just have to code it. Personally, I'm trying not to raise expectations about my current project--not out of a desire to cultivate an aura of mystery (though that never hurts), but because in the past couple years of BYOND programming I've displayed a nasty tendency to announce keen stuff and not follow through on it.

So, for now, I'll just say this: my game will give players the ability to "log in" as "mobile objects" and communicate with each other in "real time" via the "Internet."
Jun 4 2001, 7:44 am
In response to Gughunter
So, for now, I'll just say this: my game will give players the ability to "log in" as "mobile objects" and communicate with each other in "real time" via the "Internet."

Goodness! I wish I could do that.
Jun 4 2001, 12:06 pm
In response to Spuzzum
On 6/4/01 10:44 am Spuzzum wrote:
So, for now, I'll just say this: my game will give players the ability to "log in" as "mobile objects" and communicate with each other in "real time" via the "Internet."

Goodness! I wish I could do that.

Hey, Ya'll havin' fun up here?
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