If I see anyone asking me for help for a DBZ game, I'll politely refuse from now on.
This is way out of hand, folks. Not to mention its copyrighted material, and regardless of what you say, you can't change the fact that it is copyrighted material. Even saying 'Oh, what would a big-assed company care if we're making a fan game?' doesn't justify it. You're still stealing intellectual property, and to me it symbolises that you're too lazy to think of your own damned ideas.
So, I won't be a part of making such a game anymore. Page me about it, and I'll ignore you as if I were AFK. ICQ me, same result. The only way I'll help you is if I have a handy demonstration that your game is almost, but not entirely, completely unlike DBZ.
I have an offer on the table of 25 BYONDimes to the first person who transforms their DBZ game into a non-DBZ game. I have the right to refuse that offer, of course, and I'll only grant the offer if I like the result. =)
I'll give help for non-DBZ games, of course. But I won't give help on the process of conversion, if you choose to take my offer.
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 Jul 8 2001, 11:21 am
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You don't know how many times I've posted this and then deleted it... Same here, I've been tempted for weeks, but I finally got fed up. =| I'm a little concerned about the effect of splitting the BYOND community into two communities... but the fact is, I agree with you completely. "Fan gamers", you're on your own. Hey, if they want my help, they can make an original game, or at least one that isn't DBZ. If that helps them make their DBZ game, good, but I won't willingly aid in the creation of a DBZ game directly. Naturally, if someone tries to trick me, I'll find out. I'm far from stupid, and anyone who thinks otherwise can go suck a lemon. Anyhoo, it's not so much the "fan" aspect (otherwise I'd be strongly opposed to SpaceTug and be a hypocrite for making FaceHug) as it is the fact that they're swiping graphics and copying-and-pasting code and material and then aren't even crediting the rightful owners of the copyright. | |
Anyhoo, it's not so much the "fan" aspect It's not so much that for me, either... that's why I put "fan gamers" in quotes. :) | |
I have an offer on the table of 25 BYONDimes to the first person who transforms their DBZ game into a non-DBZ game. I have the right to refuse that offer, of course, and I'll only grant the offer if I like the result. =) All right... I was working on a game called Sidewalk Saiyans, but now I've changed it (results are on the Hub). Pay up! :) | |
On 7/8/01 2:21 pm Spuzzum wrote:
If I see anyone asking me for help for a DBZ game, I'll politely refuse from now on. Very good idea. While I'm one of the people that owns a DBZ game, I think it's a great idea to not help those making them, for that will slow down the flow of DBZ games and the idiots that try to make them. Now that I think about it, Lexy (wasn't it you?) probably would have never even brought up the subject of copyrighted material if the BYOND community had stayed with just DBEO and DBZ-Spar. Am I right? | |
On 7/8/01 4:56 pm Cinnom wrote:
On 7/8/01 2:21 pm Spuzzum wrote: Not necessarily. I do feel strongly about both issues (DBZ and intellectual property), so I'm sure I would've said something eventually. | |
On 7/8/01 5:27 pm LexyBitch wrote:
Not necessarily. I do feel strongly about both issues (DBZ and intellectual property), so I'm sure I would've said something eventually. I was saying things before the DBZ games...they aren't the first copyright violations here and I've always been worried about Dantom being in the chain of distribution for such things. | |
On 7/8/01 2:51 pm LexyBitch wrote:
Anyhoo, it's not so much the "fan" aspect The Only Reason I am making a DBZ game is because a few of my friends and my little cousin wanted me too so they could play it but I am also working on another game that will be out soon ¤Nadrew¤ | |
On 7/8/01 7:27 pm Nadrew wrote:
On 7/8/01 2:51 pm LexyBitch wrote: Reason's immaterial. I don't care if you're making it to cure cancer or raise awareness of world hunger... it's still another stupid DBZ game and it's still a copyright violation. | |
On 7/8/01 7:29 pm LexyBitch wrote:
On 7/8/01 7:27 pm Nadrew wrote: Would it make you happy If I got premission from Funimation (the American people of DBZ) if I can do it for my website I can do it for a damn game | |
On 7/8/01 7:41 pm Nadrew wrote:
On 7/8/01 7:29 pm LexyBitch wrote: That would take care of the copyright violation... but it would still be another stupid DBZ game. And permission doesn't make it original. | |
Umm, if a company doesn't activly follow up on all known violations of it's copywrite, it cannot legally then order some violations be removed and let others remain. Or so I understand. And as DBZ owners havn't been shutting down any sites lately, I can't see them minding DGZ games as long as you arn't making profits.
There are of course 3 flaws: 1) I quite possibly made this whole thing up, I'm not sure. 2) I quite possibly made this whole thing up, I'm not sure. I know I've said it twice, but it's very important. 3) Never promise 3 points when you only have 2. :/ What does piss me off though is rom sites that say something alon ghtre lines of: "You may only download this rom if you already own the game andmust delete it within 24hours". I watched some random bigwig American lawers on TV discuss this issue, and their conclusion: It's BS and illgal no matter what. | |
The main issue is the lack of originality and the fact that many of the DBZ games are based on a few person's codes. And that the "Programmers" of most of these games do not know how to program.
That is my interpretation of your "peaceful protest". | |
On 7/9/01 4:10 am Botman wrote:
What does piss me off though is rom sites that say something alon ghtre lines of: "You may only download this rom if you already own the game andmust delete it within 24hours". I watched some random bigwig American lawers on TV discuss this issue, and their conclusion: It's BS and illgal no matter what. If it were illegal, trust me Nintendo would shut down every ROM site they could. Sounds like the bigwig lawyers need to take the matter to court instead of to the media. Lawyers can't determine what is legal and what isn't. That is a judge's job, or a law enforcement officer's job. (The judge is the one that actually decides if it's legal or not. Law enforcement just stops questionable activity so that it may be judged.) ROMs are legal at the moment, just morally wrong if you use ROMs of games that you do not own. Don't ask me about the morality or lack thereof for lawyers, judges, law enforcement, or Nintendo. :P | |
On 7/9/01 5:03 am Shadowdarke wrote:
On 7/9/01 4:10 am Botman wrote:cut... If it were illegal, trust me Nintendo would shut down every ROM site they could. cut... They have shut down most of the sites I know. Now I have to find new sites to download a rom to replace my spoiled game... ROMs are legal at the moment, just morally wrong if you use ROMs of games that you do not own. Don't ask me about the morality or lack thereof for lawyers, judges, law enforcement, or Nintendo. :P Roms are legal? Note that the games in the roms are not. If you download a rom, that is the equal of downloading Diablo II expansion. The file may be legal, but the contents are not. Otherwise, pirates would be doing great and legal sale, by changing the games to *.zip format and resell them. If the copyright owners are denied revenues from your use of any materials (pics, game, musics, screenshots, character names, etc), then their copyright is violated. | |
On 7/9/01 5:03 am Shadowdarke wrote:
On 7/9/01 4:10 am Botman wrote: They do. Sounds like the bigwig lawyers need to take the matter to court instead of to the media. The lawyers weren't trying to accomplish anything, except inform people. How would they take it to court? Whom would they sue? One ROM site goes down, another ones goes up... that's why Nintendo doesn't get them all. Lawyers can't determine what is legal and what isn't. Sure they can! That's part of their job. They don't have the final, binding say, they can't MAKE something legal, but it's their job to KNOW what's legal and what is isn't. ROMs are legal at the moment, just morally wrong if you use ROMs of games that you do not own. Don't ask me about the morality or lack thereof for lawyers, judges, law enforcement, or Nintendo. :P In this case, the group that determines legality is the copyright owner. Read the licensing agreement for one of your Nintendo games. It says you are not allowed to make copies for back-up, or any other, purposes, and that all rights are reserved. Nowhere does it say anything about downloading a copy for 24 hours. That's just something (much like one of Jobe's much-vaunted disclaimers) that ROM providers made up, with the idea that it would somehow make their sites less illegal. You know what, though? Most ROM providers are just kids... you think lawyers can't determine what is legal and what isn't, at least they've been to law school. | |
If it were illegal, trust me Nintendo would shut down every ROM site they could. cut... I've seen Nintendo shut down Pokemon sites just because they had downloadable movie clips (as in 10second clips etc from episode, not actualy Pokemon movies). I've seen another site get shut down cause they were going to make an online pokemon RPG (not with BEYOND though :/). And, needless to say, I have seen heaps of sites get shut down for ROMs. Most people say Nintendo sucks for closing all these fan sites down (and I'm one of them, kinda), but the thing is, if they stop, then legally they lose much of there power to shut down the major sites. | |
On 7/9/01 6:33 am LexyBitch wrote:
On 7/9/01 5:03 am Shadowdarke wrote: Heh, very true! Sounds like the bigwig lawyers need to take the matter to court instead of to the media. ROMs are legal at the moment, just morally wrong if you use ROMs of games that you do not own. Don't ask me about the morality or lack thereof for lawyers, judges, law enforcement, or Nintendo. :P I can tell you for sure who can't determine the legality of the matter. Me :) "Be wary of free advice. It's worth every cent you pay." Not sure who the quote belongs to, but it's a good one. I guess I am just down on lawyers because they are an easy scapegoat for the tangled mess of a legal system we have. *sigh* It's disappointing when you have to face your own prejudice. I retract my previous post. I was fairly certain that it is legal to keep a ROM image for a game you legally own. That's what I meant when I said ROMs are legal. I stand corrected. :) | |
I was fairly certain that it is legal to keep a ROM image for a game you legally own. That's what I meant when I said ROMs are legal. I stand corrected. :) To confuse you more, your not entirely wrong.I have found a FEW playstation games that do infact allow you to make a backup copy. Though not a ROM, it is still copying a CD, which is kinda stupid cause Sony dont condone the use of Modchips (if you Modchip your Playstation, your warrenty is voided) yet you cant run a copied PS CD unless you chip your Playstation. So in effect they are both condoning and NOT condoing the copying of their CD's... hmmm :) | |
You don't know how many times I've posted this and then deleted it... I'm a little concerned about the effect of splitting the BYOND community into two communities... but the fact is, I agree with you completely. "Fan gamers", you're on your own.