I have actually been wondering. what allows people of byond to achieve this Name of a "Guru"? Isnt guru defined as a near godly creator or bearor of godly skills in certain fields?
I have had this conversation with my Friend nadrew over the past few days and came to the conclusion of writing a post.
I hear of many Gurus of "BYOND" (A GAME MAKING SYSTEM) Yet i see few Games that even come close to these standards of "Godly Skill". And began to wonder How most of these people gained this social stature. I would like the name but i know my games are not "Godly" in any way, same as my coding, yet i see more people playing mine then most of the Gurus' games, As i too host them whenever it is convienient along with 4-5 others that i trust not to distribute the hub files.
Also I hear that most Gurus are too buisy helping then actually producing games... Also another form of procrastination, I myself am on this 3 days a week at the most, in and out of programming text muds, and learning 2 more languages (html would be third but is mainly a brance of Visual Basic **it is in the book at least**). Also i have successfully taught 2 people to program byond in this time from them having no knowledge of any types of programming. And still I Have 2 Successful games that are still early beta. So this leaves no reason for the people that consider themselves better them me (True or Not) to make excuses for them not having games to show us what makes them so special.
This was not a post of modesty. just more comparing myself to a guru in the sense to get more results to my actual question. My question in this post is the name of it. I just wish to know what makes a guru a guru?
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 Sep 30 2001, 5:31 am (Edited on Sep 30 2001, 5:37 am)
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Sep 30 2001, 5:37 am
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Kajul
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I agree. Although, I personally haven't played many of Son's games, because i play only a certain few, i also make my own...sorta. I do agree, that if anyone comes close, it would have to be sonvegitto, because not only are his games good, he's continuously upgrading, keeping the games fresh. I am also peculiar as to what makes a guru a guru?
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I have actually been wondering. what allows people of byond to achieve this Name of a "Guru"? Isnt guru defined as a near godly creator or bearor of godly skills in certain fields? Some say that to be a full-fledged guru, you must witness the Vision of the Four Holy Atoms and successfully apply for a Federal Concealed Wisdom Permit. Others, however, say that "guru" is simply a description people use, of their own accord, when referring to someone who is knowledgeable and sometimes shares that knowledge. Whichever approach one believes to be true, there are two ways to pursue the goal of being called a guru: 1) Post Forum messages that reveal your desire to be called a guru. Also, create an alternate key for posting forum messages that call your main key a guru. 2) Build games, tutorials, demos, libraries, and other useful BYOND creations. | |
K. and naw I dont mind if a guru bashes on me, they dont play my games anyway.. possibly out of ego.
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If you wish to bash on me due to your egos or feel your offended, please just state the reason why i made you feel to do this.. cuz I was just curious.. Although my definition of guru was a misleading one.. most people dont stand up to this name.
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K. and naw I dont mind if a guru bashes on me, they dont play my games anyway.. possibly out of ego. As a person who has sometimes been referred to as a guru, if I've ever bashed you, I apologize. At one point I enjoyed razzing people for their DBZ efforts, but since the game I'm working on now is a thinly-veiled tribute to another popular fictional franchise, I can hardly be too critical (though I do, at least, present the game as parody rather than appropriating the license outright). I haven't tried any DBZ games lately, because it isn't my bag; but if the experience is teaching you useful things about programming and helping you pass on your knowledge to others, then I'm glad to hear it. | |
I dont mind the bashing **and no you didnt you just stated facts to correct me.. i dont mind** I just want answers with it :-D and thank you.. for some, i wanna hear from more though.. this is a pure opinion post.
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Main Entry: gu·ru
Pronunciation: 'gur-(")ü also g&-'rü Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural gurus Etymology: Hindi guru, from Sanskrit guru, from guru, adjective, heavy, venerable -- more at GRIEVE Date: 1613 1 : a personal religious teacher and spiritual guide in Hinduism 2 a : a teacher and especially intellectual guide in matters of fundamental concern b : one who is an acknowledged leader or chief proponent c : a person with knowledge or expertise : EXPERT Nothing to do with god status there... What makes a guru a guru? Someone calls them a guru. It is an insignificant term that means someone admired your skills. Kajul thinks your games are great. All he has to do is call you a guru and presto, you are a guru. SonVegitto wrote: this leaves no reason for the people that consider themselves better them me (True or Not) to make excuses for them not having games to show us what makes them so special. None of the people I consider to be a guru brag about their skills or try to belittle other that don't know as much as they do. Which "guru" is saying they are better than you? Why this sudden fit of rage over a silly term? | |
i agree wit son abuot those so called "gurus".
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Shadowdarke wrote:
None of the people I consider to be a guru brag about their skills or try to belittle other that don't know as much as they do. Which "guru" is saying they are better than you? Why this sudden fit of rage over a silly term? I agree. Most of the posts on this thread look like sour grapes over a meaningless status symbol. Lummox JR | |
Encarta's idea of a guru:
"a teacher or counselor in spiritual or intellectual matters who is especially revered and followed by an individual" ThereforE! you might consider a guru someone who teaches code, or helps newbies on these boards a lot, and who is especially knowledgeable about code. The kind of people who make you think "Wow! I wish I could do that." If you have a reptutation for being really good at code (and you get that by helping people) peope just tend to consider you a "guru". This has nothing to do with what games you make, or how popular they are. | |
Btw, which games are yours?
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Your complaint about gurus is that they're too busy helping others to make cool games, and that since you're more devoted to making games (as evidenced by the fact that you'd rather work on your own project than help another), you're closer to guruhood? I refer you to the below post with the actual definition of guru... a guru is a teacher, not a god.
We who have been chosen and labelled as gurus are not gurus because of our great games--I for one have never even finished a game for it to be judged at all--but because of the roles we play in the BYOND community. If you want to think that I'm bashing you, or that I don't play your game because of my mammoth ego, go right ahead... the fact is, I don't play many people's games, and I don't play those often. Why not? The same reason I get hardly any work done on my own games. No time. What little time I can spend on BYOND these days, I spend on the forums, and I still feel like I'm not helping enough for my "guru" title. Here is the question I'd ask someone if I were in charge of choosing gurus: 1) If you have five minutes left of computer time in the day, and you have to choose between mmaking and testing one adjustment to your own code or going to the Forums and seeing who needs help, which would you do? That, to me, is what a guru is. If you'd like for us to call you a special name because you're more interested in working on your game than helping others, fine, but that's not what a guru is. | |
If you read my post further you would see that i am a devoted teacher, as well as a game maker, at the same time a student of my own works, I teach my self along with plenty of others, there has been many that request, and very few do i refuse because i am "SELFISH" because i am as far from selfishness as possible, i like to see good games thus i help produce them, I would classify myself as more of a teacher rather then a "SELFISH" builder, i like to help,every text game i work on *NOT MINE*, most games i work on *NOT MINE*, if this is your definition of selfishness you are not as wise as i thought of you.
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Although my definition of guru was wrong, i apologize, but from what i hear in most arguements over them, this term came about defined as what i wrote, to me, I am very sorry for my mis conception and didnt mean any disses in any way, i just wrote to ease my curiosity and became caught up in it, thank you for your responses on correcting my mistakes, This is how people learn, and now without further a-do, Bash away if you wish.
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Ah... I stopped reading your post after coming to the part where you called being too busy helping "a form of procrastination." After that, it was (and still is, I might add) impossible for me to have any respect for you at all.
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Im sorry, I wish to redeem myself so i wish to direct you toward my post of apology at the top of this collection of posts.
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I read it before I posted that. I still have no respect for you... not because you were confused about what we were using "guru" to mean, but because of what you said about helping others being a form of procrastination.
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Thats ok, I dont believe i had respect either, and that was a mistake tied to my definition, My soul purpose was to possibly temp most of the Gurus into making games, so we could have more choices for likable games, for the byond community, but wow, What a Back fire huh!? :-D well thats ok, ill try my best to regain respect in your and the peoples eyes, and yet again, i am sorry.
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