May 23 2002, 8:48 am
In response to Gojira
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SonVeggitto
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Look a like go catch it you japanese nerd!
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Notice the way I talk, then compare and contrast with the others with a name similar to mine. But no one worry, as soon as i hit my PC these annoying kids that choose to follow me at an attempt to ruin my reputation will find that it isnt that bright to mess with a hacker.
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SonVeggitto wrote:
Come on babe you cant toast your alter ego Why can't you type of people just drop your little "attitude" problem. I don't see why you people have to do this!? I know I used to do it but when I was asked why I did it I could not answer it! Just drop with your attitude problems and leave people be. Why can't all the fighting be done else where and I just wish this community would be more peaceful like it used to be. --Lee | |
Its quite interesting how your cat is teaching you lessons of killing, death, and pain & suffering. But I can see your creative and knowledge soul, I too felt like this when I was younger, and studied how the brain works. Its amazing how far every living bio-organism has come. Now that I'm reading up and researching AI/AL and Neurology, I'm even more impressed! I had to toughen up when I became a hired killing for my Government in the armed services though.
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Hmm that was a spout! Not a lesson. Pain is the electrial current that flows from the pain center in the brain to the out sourced nerve endings. You also have whats called nerve clusters, which are places like the hands and feet. Shock also is the bodies natural defense against overwhelming amounts of input which is more than likely what the little fellow was experiencing. Though I'm sure the blows to its body just generated more shock, it was feeling pain up until that point. Also when you kill something and you have a care in your heart, you want it to be swift and quick. The longer you waited between blows the more time the shock factor lessened and pain was able to come back.
I'm not gonna talking about a mature subject as NDE on this site as only a few amount of people here would even understand it, but if you want to know what its like on the otherside just ask me in private sometime. LJR | |
LordJR wrote:
Hmm that was a spout! Not a lesson. Pain is the electrial current that flows from the pain center in the brain to the out sourced nerve endings. Are you sure? I thought it was the other way arround. Nerves fire where the pain occurs and then a chain reaction occurs along other nerves until it reaches your brain and you feel the pain. It's been a while since biology though, I could be mistaken... | |
English wrote:
Are you sure? I thought it was the other way arround. Nerves fire where the pain occurs and then a chain reaction occurs along other nerves until it reaches your brain and you feel the pain. It's been a while since biology though, I could be mistaken... Its more like a relay station. Pulses are set back and forth, thus creating the sensation of feeling. Also action and reaction are enabled because of this network. LJR | |
Sariat wrote:
I guess its all good to have that feeling and whatnot. But I know I wont. Maybe if I had to kill my dog, I would do it... but I wouldn't be happy. I won't cry over it. The only thing I will feel sad for is....burrying the dog. Its just too much work. First I gotta kill the dog, and NOW I gotta go bury it!? Let me put it this way. A) I've never killed anything capable of actual thought before. (Ants and spiders and bugs don't really count, since they are insect-brained, meaning they just follow instinctive programs -- more or less). Of course, even then, I don't go out of my way to kill those either.) Only once before this have I actually willingly allowed something to die, and that was when my short-lived Manx kitten named Moon was forced to be put down (he had a birth defect -- he had no muscles in his lower digestive system, so he couldn't have bowel movements; this made him very messy and undoubtedly in pain). B) It looked at me before it died and totally gave up. It knew it was going to die. It's one thing to kill something if you know that it's trying to hurt you, or your family, or anything else you care about; but the rat didn't and couldn't fight or escape. C) This was a pointless death; the only reason that rat died was because my cat caught it and left it to suffer. My cat wasn't hungry; I feed her too well for that. In other words, that rat didn't actually need to die. It just died because it was in the wrong place at the wrong time. D) I'm a very empathetic individual; I care about anything that breathes. I am strongly and openly opposed to cruelty to any living things. I'm something of an environmentalist and an animal activist, though "activist" generally means that I speak out at symposiums and things. I'm just a firm supporter of animal and environmental rights. E) It proved a really good point that violence in games is way different than violence in life! (Yes, I do eat meat. It's a fact of life that humans eat animals. If I had to kill a chicken for supper, I would, but frankly I'm much happier if someone else does it for me.) In any case, I'm mostly done and over with this whole issue (good ol' endorphins). And, as always, I'll continue to let my cat outside to hunt birds and rodents. It's her nature, and it's not right to deny her that. The only condition is that she has to be the one doing the killing. =| | |
I like you, Spuzz. Thanks for sharing that.
When my mother was young, she came home from school one day to find one of her kittens had been hit by a car and mangled. She drowned it in a bucket of water to put it out of its misery. I'd just cry for a week if I had to do that. I have an odd spot for kittens though. Z | |
You know I'm actually part Native American.. and my beliefs in Shamanism teaches me, during the old days, would tribal warriors would hold a sacred dance for a good hunt. Often we would offer up tobacco and other items which we held value to, for Great Spirit. Then during the hunt sometimes before a kill was made a small prayer to the animal's spirit was made asking for forgiveness, before taking its life for need of food and skin for shelters and clothing. Or the prayer was offered after the kill had been made, also there were rules of nature that were followed as to never kill a mother when she had young around that needed to be cared for and raised. Humans were once like your cat, before we evolved into gathers rather than hunter tribes. I see some of the ways you feel below closely relate some of our teachings, as we both pray to and respect both nature and the animal spirits, as they sometimes act as our guides in the spirit realm.
LJR Spuzzum wrote: A) I've never killed anything capable of actual thought before. (Ants and spiders and bugs don't really count, since they are insect-brained, meaning they just follow instinctive programs -- more or less). Of course, even then, I don't go out of my way to kill those either.) Only once before this have I actually willingly allowed something to die, and that was when my short-lived Manx kitten named Moon was forced to be put down (he had a birth defect -- he had no muscles in his lower digestive system, so he couldn't have bowel movements; this made him very messy and undoubtedly in pain). | |
Thank you for sharing this experience, Spuzzum. We think so seldom about the essence of our being, so seeing and feeling the emotions of a little animal in this state can really be a memorable experience. I hope you learned something from it. I did, just by reading about it.
About the discussions in this thread: I read that some people don't mind killing the rat because it was defined as "vermin". It might have diseases, but we humans do too. They are called war, hate, arrogance, politics, combustion engines, money, etc etc. All animals have a role to play in nature, and so do we humans. And since we have greater intelligence and power to destroy this planet, we also have a great responsibility. When I look at the news, I wonder which species is the biggest vermin... /Andreas | |
Hey Gazoot..
I think you'd like this website.. You too Spuzzum.. very futuristic and progressive... http://www.wisdomcore.com Pe@ce... LJR Gazoot wrote: Thank you for sharing this experience, Spuzzum. We think so seldom about the essence of our being, so seeing and feeling the emotions of a little animal in this state can really be a memorable experience. I hope you learned something from it. I did, just by reading about it. | |
LordJR wrote:
Often we would offer up tobacco and other items which we held value to, for Great Spirit. Then during the hunt sometimes before a kill was made a small prayer to the animal's spirit was made asking for forgiveness, before taking its life for need of food and skin for shelters and clothing. Color me impressed. I knew you weren't twelve, but I had no idea how old you actually were. I'm working on a research project for a local train museum. If you happened to have been in the America midwest to west during the 19th century, would you mind enlightening me on how the coming of the trains changed your way of life? I'd love to have this kind of first-hand account. | |