I think all dreams are a part of universal knowledge.
How could a mind be programed to perceive these things and STILL react on individual basis?
Im sorry but i think dreams have very little to do with who we are and what we do. perhaps those we see in dreams are having those dreams themselves?
Or perhaps They are unborn?
Maybe They are entirely awake while your dreaming..
Its all possibly im sure theres proof. but I dont need to worry about pedantics.
even though we have the same dreams they differ on a personal level, how can a stock formula be so specific?
in all logical points of view biological programming would be vague at best, yet its not.. and its not religious, its philosophical, because I dont have a religion. I believe that everything, even the afterlife can be gauged by science. And only open minds will ever be able to revolutionize and pioneer that kind of technology. | |
Many head psychiatrists work together to create false statements which are considered true in order to keep a social order. unfortunately this has side effects too. People feel constricted and feel like they have no meaning in life. what is normally completely sane is considered insane, so those of us with awkward philosophies (and thats being a kind description) are forced at a young age to feel ashamed and/or embarrased about what we experience in fear of being branded insane.
But, this is only because those in power fear change, cannot accept defeat even if it leads to worldwide victory. Off the subject i have a question for all of you. If a new religion were formed would it be any more false than the current ones (keep in mind my beliefs are that each and all religions are a part of 1 huge puzzle, and science is a religion) So this question does not apply to those of my mind such as Puzuzu -not of byond (hes a warlock) | |
Lummox JR wrote:
I think it's more likely that humans have similar dreams because many of us have similar life experiences. A lot of our childhoods derive from variations on a few stock formulas, and those are the years that most strongly influence how concepts and emotion are tied together, and those bonds in turn drive most of our dreams. Not to mention, some of us just don't have similar dreams. I dreamt once that I was a puppetoon reindeer (like on the Rudolph special), and I was flying through the air with one of my reindeer buddies to go liberate a Nazi death camp. Yes I really had this dream, and countless others that make people wonder when I tell them. | |
those kinds of dreams are formed in your psyche. (your inner mind where all information is stored, whether or not your neurons can or cannot retrieve it.
Anyone able to willingly enter their psyche could quite simply open what would appear to them as a filing cabinet they could read over everything. from age 1- your current age in there, when all this is doing is connecting neurons in the most straight formation.. I cannot do this, id like to be able to but id fear that cavernous mansion | |
I don't dream like I used to; my sleeping hasn't been the same since I was a kid. But when I was younger I used to have a lot of chase dreams. Most of these would be classed as nightmares, but they were cool and I actually enjoyed the adventure of it.
My most memorable chase dream of all time took place in some sort of long underground hallway, a big one like an airport terminal, but with lots of rooms and side halls and stairs (up or down) to the sides. I actually had to contend with three different groups of people coming after me and the people with me, while we tried to make it to a subway at the far end of the hall that would take us down to the next level of the structure. No idea why. I distinctly remember the image of the subway doors, and of one of the side "rooms"; at one point I descended down some slatted stairs into a room like an empty brick cellar, with a rusty grate at the bottom barring the way to some sort of tunnel. It was a very vivid dream. On death in dreams: I've died in a dream only once. It was a unique experience, but I'll spare everyone the details. The cool thing was that I didn't feel any pain, but did feel my consciousness falling away very rapidly with nothing I could do to control it. Then right after everything went black, instantly I was standing alert again, right where I had been, only I knew that I was dead. It was quite bizarre. Lummox JR | |
Dareb wrote:
even though we have the same dreams they differ on a personal level, how can a stock formula be so specific? It generally isn't specific. But for example, I used to have the standard dream of being in school in my underwear. I think this is because we all go through some embarrassment at school anyway, and another thing we associate with embarrassment is a state of partial or full undress. Hence people may dream about going to work naked. But to the extent similarities exist, it's because many of us have had a similar general set of experiences in childhood--at least similar enough to lump us into vague categories most of the time. in all logical points of view biological programming would be vague at best, yet its not.. If no two people have the exact same dream, but the same general formula, that would fit the description of "vague". It's not biological programming, though; it's simply a psychological phenomenon based on our experiences, or things we can imagine. and its not religious, its philosophical, because I dont have a religion. Philosophy doesn't make statements as you did, though; it asks questions. You stated a belief, rather than posit a question. Since that belief extends somewhat into the "mystical", it's more or less safely called a religious statement, whether you have a specific religion or not. I believe that everything, even the afterlife can be gauged by science. And only open minds will ever be able to revolutionize and pioneer that kind of technology. I wouldn't go so far as to say that science can gauge everything, but then that too is a religious statement on my part. The only thing we can know for sure is that we'll never be able to answer that question via science, which is pretty ironic when you think about it. Lummox JR | |
Dareb wrote:
Many head psychiatrists work together to create false statements which are considered true in order to keep a social order. Do you have anything to back up these conclusions of yours, or are they meaningless conjecture on your part? If there is such a conspiracy, how did you unravel it? Do you have anything to support the "glimpses of other realities" theory of dreams besides the vague similarities between dreams of distinct people. I much prefer Jung's Universal Unconscious theory. | |
Lummox JR wrote:
I don't dream like I used to; my sleeping hasn't been the same since I was a kid. But when I was younger I used to have a lot of chase dreams. Most of these would be classed as nightmares, but they were cool and I actually enjoyed the adventure of it. Wow! I thought I was the only one who enjoyed chase dreams! I actually love them, because in my dream I'm always so clever, and never manage to get caught. On death in dreams: I've died in a dream only once. It was a unique experience, but I'll spare everyone the details. The cool thing was that I didn't feel any pain, but did feel my consciousness falling away very rapidly with nothing I could do to control it. I've died several times in different dreams, and sometimes have dreamt that I was dying, and had very little time left. Usually, these are not bad dreams at all, for some reason. I don't consider either a nightmare. But a nightmare is actually just a dream that has a panic aspect, regardless of content. The worst nightmare I ever had was that there was a little guy driving a miniature train through my apartment. I was screaming in terror, at what should have produced mild amusement. I woke up, heart pounding like crazy. I was about 22 at the time (16 years ago), and that damn image still haunts me. | |
Dareb wrote:
Many head psychiatrists work together to create false statements which are considered true in order to keep a social order. I have no idea what that's supposed to even mean. Are you trying to say that psychologists try to categorize a set of lies that are common but considered more or less necessary to keep society working? I've never heard of anyone doing that, since there's no really good way for them to determine which is truth and which isn't. unfortunately this has side effects too. People feel constricted and feel like they have no meaning in life. That kind of feeling is common. Religion comes closest to explaining why, if you accept the religious theory: People have an innate desire to know God, which often manifests in a search for meaning, or for something beyond their existence like a higher power. what is normally completely sane is considered insane, so those of us with awkward philosophies (and thats being a kind description) are forced at a young age to feel ashamed and/or embarrased about what we experience in fear of being branded insane. Insanity is better defined in terms other than belief, except where outright delusion is concerned. However, I don't think it's common (if it happens at all) for any of the general forms of insanity to express delusion without other symptoms in tow. But, this is only because those in power fear change, cannot accept defeat even if it leads to worldwide victory. No idea what you're on about here, but it sounds more like a political rant than an informed thought. It's probably best to rant on just one subject at a time. Off the subject i have a question for all of you. Even various religions differ in this thought. But new religions have formed often, so this question could just as easily be applied to any of them. (keep in mind my beliefs are that each and all religions are a part of 1 huge puzzle, and science is a religion) Science isn't a religion; it's a process of inquiry. If you take science to be religion what you really believe in is not science but truth, and you adhere to the apparent truths of whatever science you study (keeping an open mind to the possibility that science may later refute or clarify what you previously believed to be true). Of course the danger in this is that it's easy to hear something second- or third-hand without studying it carefully, assuming science was carried out correctly, or to make mistakes in your own research. Science can be oft-abused, really, if it's not treated with respect and caution. Lummox JR | |
Skysaw wrote:
Wow! I thought I was the only one who enjoyed chase dreams! I actually love them, because in my dream I'm always so clever, and never manage to get caught. I only got (totally) caught the one time I died. In other chase dreams I can either fight it out (but not win definitively) or escape if the bad guy/thing ever lays hands on me. Most of the time it's just by force of will that I escape, like the dream's in revision constantly re-shooting the scene until I get out safely. The cool thing about those dreams is that they're usually punctuated chases. In much of them there's only a brief time spent in sight of the enemy, while the rest of the time I'm hiding out with somebody (labyrinthine halls help a lot) trying to gather my wits for the next run or stay quiet. There's a lot to be said for the lurking horror of knowing It's Out There Somewhere, and there's a certain "after hours" feel to taking a rest in the strangest places (like hiding in a darkened office, or an infirmary) that adds to the sense of adventure. One class of chase dream I still occasionally have is the Aliens dream. The environment or who I'm with varies quite a bit, but dang, those suckers can still put the scare in you. One of these dreams actually served as the inspiration for a short story I wrote a few years ago--not the aliens, but the locale. It was a series of hallways with dim/darkish paint colors, like red and blue and forest green, with rooms and passages off to the sides and stairs and potted plants and such all around like office decor. My short story didn't include the stairs, but I combined this locale with a feeling of being utterly lost and disconnected from everything--that I think came from another dream--and ended up with that. It's one of the better things I've written. Lummox JR | |
Do dreams play a part based off the body?
for example: I had a nightmare and I was stabbed in the back, but in the dream just as I woke up, I felt a tingling/tickle in my back with force. I was wondering how that can happen. Also I had this weird dream when this clown was tickling me to death. I couldn't move or react. | |
I'm surpised nobody has had any horror movie guys chase them...I know I do :/
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I had a dream that snakes were like ropes holding me up and i was getting beat or something by a whip from some jungle man...and when i woke up, I had my hands up like if i was tied and i was on my knees on my bed... Oo
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I know of someone who claims to have psychic dreams, as in dreams that tell the future. In one of them, she dreamt that she looked under her pillow and a winged snake jumped out and chased her all around the house. The following day, after telling her friend about the dream, her friend told her that a bat had jumped out from under her pillow and chased her all around the house.
In another one, she dreamt that there were devils spitting fire in her basement. That same day, the boiler in her basement overheated and almost exploded. The last one I know of is when she dreamt her father was lying dead in a field of flowers. The next day, she went to her father's for dinner. After she had gotten home, she received a call that her father had died from a heart attack while gardening. | |
When I was around 3 or 4, I had a dream that I walked through a door and fell into an infinite pit of vines, all growing from bottom to top. I tried climbing back up to the door, but I kept on falling instead.
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I used to have a horrible dream when I was like 5 or 6, I was in feudal japan in a graveyard, there was a small house about 7 feet tall and cheaply made wicker doors. I was equipped with a sword, which was much larger then me, and an iron stake. The air started getting warm and what not as I entered the small building which was filled with people who were just standing still looking at me. It was too dark to identify their eyes but then an old man in the corner striked a match and and started burning a torch, which he then threw to the center of the building. Strangely, the building made entirely out of wood, did not flare up, instead it revealed all the inhabitants which seemed to have large fangs protruding from their mouth. Instantly I was attacked but I could somehow lift my sword up and fight back and started staking them one by one, then a few vampires came in holding my sister and brother hostage, the vampires were my mom and dad. They said something that I can't remember then they raised their heads and were about to bite my brother and sister, instinctively I raised my sword and took off their heads in a bloody rage. After that, I remember I started crying over their corpses while the dead seemed to come out of their graves to mourn. This dream used to pop back to me every 3 months or so until I was about 9 years old, thank god it hasn't bothered me since. One of the more touching dreams which pains me is when I was entered a large white door which led into a dark room, I reached over and turned on a light and saw a car with blood on it and whenever I tried to look down it wouldn't let me, or I would wake up. This dream occured to me a lot when I was 8 then On Valentines day when I had just turned 10 2 months ago, I was going into my garrage and the lights were off which struck me as unusual, I flicked them on to find my dad there with blood covering the back of his car while he was layed back on the ground.
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when i was younger i was always afraid of the aliens from the movie...aliens :P
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Umm... based on what? This is a statement of religious belief, not a logical conclusion. In psychology, Jung's concept of a collective unconcious is generally considered to be a pretty marginal position.
I think it's more likely that humans have similar dreams because many of us have similar life experiences. A lot of our childhoods derive from variations on a few stock formulas, and those are the years that most strongly influence how concepts and emotion are tied together, and those bonds in turn drive most of our dreams.
Lummox JR