No, no, I'm waaaay more open-minded than you are. I'm willing to consider the idea of the earth and various celestial bodies as being sentient forces, alive in their own fashion, with us being nothing more than minor cells or the equivalent of intestinal fauna. That's more "out there" then your theory. If you ask me to consider that the earth is a living thing and then ask me to consider whether or not the mantle of deity would be fitting, that would be one thing. That I would consider. That I would debate. The two ideas at least support each other. You don't even presuppose that the earth has any kind of spirit. You're just declaring the physical body of the earth to be a god. Your theory... well, it isn't even really a theory. It's more like a comparison.

Dogs have follicles covering most of their bodies. They have two eyes, two nostrils, two ears, one mouth, one head, and four limbs. You, yourself, have follicles over most of your body. You have two eyes, two nostrils, two ears, one mouth, one head, and four limbs. My theory is, you're a dog. What a lame theory, huh? Well, I arrived at it the same way you arrived at yours. It's what's called "reasoning by analogy," and while it can be used to illustrate possibilities, it's not a good way of proving anything. If the only information we have on you is that you have two eyes, two nostrils, two ears, one mouth, one head, and four limbs, we cannot rule out the possibility that you are a dog, but we have no compelling reason to believe it, either.

Of course the word "god" has a meaning. If it didn't have a meaning, we wouldn't be using it in a discussion. Here's an example:

God god god god god god god god god.

If "god" had no specific meaning, what I just said could be construed to mean,

"I will transfer 1,000 dimes to you for free."

Too bad god does have a meaning, otherwise, you could've just scored $100.

Why is God necessary to explain any of this, if God isn't necessary to explain life, the universe, and everything to begin with? Anything that exists is natural... that includes any sort of "next life"... if God made one, God made the other... if God didn't, if there is no God, yet the universe still exists, then the next life could still exist.

First, you did say that my theroy sucks, there for you where ridiculing it. Second i know i didnt say the earth has a spirit, why should i? if that was true then it would be there is some great entity out there that mades us and bla, but thats not what i said, i dont belive in a great entity, spirit or energy, i belive in the rock we live on.

and how can God have a real meaning when people us it for anything its practically a swear word. God damn it, For god's sake, God i hate you soo much. You telling me when someone says that word they are trying to "Celestial being" damn you, or something else what the word is used for? and even if it did mean what its supose to its still a fraud cause there is so many "God" in this world that one word cant be for all of them Buddest god, arib god, caholic god? all the same? i think not, so the word doesnt have any real meaning

WildBlood wrote:

First, you did say that my theroy sucks, there for you where ridiculing it.

I'm sorry, you're right. Your theory is perfectly capable of ridiculing itself... I should've just stood back and let it stand on its own demerits.

Second i know i didnt say the earth has a spirit, why > should i?

I know you didn't. This is why your theory is ridiculous. If you said the earth has a spirit, I might not agree with you... but I'd agree that such a hypothetical spirit would make the earth qualify as some type of god.

if that was true then it would be there is some great
entity out there that mades us and bla, but thats not
what i said, i dont belive in a great entity, spirit or
energy, i belive in the rock we live on.

And here we have another perfectly valid viewpoint... if you want to leave it at that. Saying, "Who needs to go looking for some big supernatural force when we have everything we need right down here" is a very good philosophy. I couldn't begin to argue with a philosophy like that. When you tack on, "and since the earth gives us everything we need, the earth must be God!", all bets are off.

Your viewpoint is the equivalent of a Christian saying, "I believe in all-powerful, all-knowing being, who created the heavens and the earth and made humanity in His image and sent His son to die for our sins... but I don't believe this entity is God." Well, He ain't chopped liver!

and how can God have a real meaning when people us it for anything its practically a swear word. God damn it, For god's sake, God i hate you soo much. You telling me when someone says that word they are trying to "Celestial being" damn you,

They're cursing you. "God damn you!" is saying, "I hope God damns you," or is asking God to damn you, depending on context. It's like saying, "I hope you rot!" or "Go to hell!" or "May the fleas of a thousand camels nest inside your genitals!" Unless the person doing the curse has some freaky powers, all of these curses are more figures of speech than anything... but yes, the phrase "God damn you!" is referring to God, as in God, as in Our Father Who Art In Heaven, Hallowed Be Thy Name.

or something else what the word is used for? and even if it did mean what its supose to its still a fraud cause there is so many "God" in this world that one word cant be for all of them Buddest god, arib god, caholic god? all the same? i think not, so the word doesnt have any real meaning

Hey, there's 6 billion some people on the world. All of them are different. I guess "human" means nothing. "Person," too. How about "molecule"? Got any idea how many molecules there are? How many different kinds? Gosh, the word has just lost all meaning, huh?

People don't use the word God for just anything. When was the last time you heard someone call a fire hydrant god, except perhaps in the context of somebody worshipping one? Is "god" another word for toothbrush? People use God primarily for four things: to refer to a deity or object of worship, to refer to the deity, as an exclamation, and as a synonym for "the best" (as in, "I am a Quake III God!" Four definitions isn't a lot, for a word in the English language.

So once again your trying to make what i say sound funny since it doesnt envolve some odd spirit that MUST exist in a theroy to make it work? Gee that sounds like your theroy, mine doesnt enolve a spirit mine doesnt need one, if it had one Itd be YOUR theory, and just like every religion its YOUR theroy with twist. So i guess i should just say yours is ridiculous and capible of ridiculing itself, theres no prove of it, noones seen him, noones talked to him and proved it. Now lets see, something we know, see and makes sense vs a far-fetched story that is told and changed oddly over the years. Seems someone's been brainwashed by a church to belive in one thing.

So said the sheperd so says the flock huh?

And, non religious people use the saying "God damn you" but not for the reason of telling a person that a god that doesnt exist to them is gonna damn them, but cause its a commonly used saying, just like F-you, or F-off

Her mind isnt open at all, she's stuck on the thought that there needs to be a spirit to be a GOD, in fact she's ridiculing my idea any way she can, just to try to state that its impossible and that she's right about it

WildBlood wrote:

Her mind isnt open at all, she's stuck on the thought that there needs to be a spirit to be a GOD, in fact she's ridiculing my idea any way she can, just to try to state that its impossible and that she's right about it

I never said she was keeping an open mind to your idea. I said she was keeping an open mind to "God" -- I seriously doubt she believes in one. She's defending the God theory by saying that a deity must, by its very nature, be an intelligent being. To say otherwise is saying that it's not a deity, but rather a thing.

What Spuzzum said.

Like I said in my last post, if you want to say there's no supernatural beings and no need for them, I'd be willing to accept that as a valid viewpoint. If you want to say that there is a supernatural being which could best be described as "god", I'll accept that as a valid viewpoint. None of these things are my theory... but they're still valid viewpoints capable of being debated and defended.

What YOU are saying, though, is that there are no supernatural beings and there is a god. God is by definition a supernatural being.

Take a look at this statement:

"I have no dog, and his name is Steve."

Nonsense, right? If there's no dog, then whose name is Steve? The dog that you don't have? No, I'm not saying this just to be funny. I'm taking your logic and applying it to other situations in order to show you the fallacy of it.

As far as what atheists and agnostics mean when they say "God damn you"... as I said, they are using it as a figure of speech, just like they don't really expect you to rot or lightning to strike you down or anything else they may invoke while "cursing" you. Whether or not they believe in God, though, they're using the word God in the context of an all-powerful being who has the power to damn. In the context, it makes sense. It's not just some gibberish or nonsense word people throw in when they're angry or surprised. It's an actual word, with meaning.

Who said that by stating a planet could be a GOD that i said it was a supernatural? like ive been saying God has no defenite meaning, it is twisted by religions, by people, by everything.

WildBlood wrote:

Who said that by stating a planet could be a GOD that i said it was a supernatural?

No one did! If you did, then your theory wouldn't be ridiculous. It wouldn't necessarily be true, it wouldn't necessarily be intelligent, but it wouldn't be ridiculous.

If you want to say there is no god, that's not a ridiculous theory. If you want to say that planets are alive, or occupied by spirits, and these are gods, that's not a ridiculosu theory. If you want to say, "There is nothing supernatural, but planets are gods," you're saying the equivalent of, "There is no god, and it is planet earth." That last sentence is gibberish. If there are no supernatural beings, then there is no god... and if there is no god, how is a planet a god?

The word "god" has a broad definition that is subject to interpretation. That's not the same thing as being meaningless.