Jul 21 2002, 7:10 pm
In response to Vortezz
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Jotdaniel
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I love Jedi Knight, ive had two copies, lost the first so i had to buy it again.
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Yes, but what I was asking is, what is the operating principle... i.e., how does what is in essence a crossbow weapon produce an effect comparable to a blaster shot? The answer is that while moving through the air, the electromagnetic field of the metal-tipped quarrels produces a sort of corona, or energy aura, around the projectile.
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Ok, you got me on that one, I don't know much about bowcasters. Also, if even one salvo from an SSD struck a federation star cruiser, it would be toast.
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sweet zombie tap dancing jesus. you are a nerd!!! and you are a guy!!!! no chick watches star trek......jesus. look between your legs, what do you see there?
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Your wrong, I know a few girls that watch star trek, and i think it's pretty clear the Lexy is not a guy, even though i hate to stick up for her after all the times shes insulted me over the past year you are just being hateful.
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I don't believe the Federation has "star cruisers."
Anyway, take a look at the weapon specs for Empire's ships and the shield specifications for a Federation ship. You'll see what I'm talking about. The Empire's weapons are not designed to deal with things like Star Trek-type shield technology. Hell, if the ship in question had some of the new metaphasic shielding technology, the Empire's weapons wouldn't even damage the shields themselves. Understand, this is not a question of which franchise is better. It's just that the technology present in the two runs along different lines. Star Wars technology is space opera technology... basically, fighter planes and aircraft carriers in space. Here's how the encounter would play out: Star Destroyer: Opens fire long before it's in effective range, because being nothing more than a naval ship transplanted in genre, it has to fire several tracers to establish range, bearing, etc., and this provides several pretty but harmless explosions that make for good FX shots. Federation Starship: Seeing an obviously hostile ship, red alert, full shields, all stop. Calculate firing sequence to take out all weapons, minimum casualties (takes negligible time). Open a hailing frequency. "This Captain Hypothetical of the Federation Starship Genrebender. I represent the United Federation of Planets, a long time in the future in a galaxy far, far away. We mean you no harm, but if you do not cease your destructive display we will be forced to defend ourselves." "This is Captain Throwaway of the Imperial Star Destroyer Parexample. Surrender and prepare to be boarded." Science Officer: "Captain Hypothetical, preliminary scans reveal that their force field technology is relatively simple, mostly designed to deflect physical projectiles and plasma streams." Tactical Officer: "If necessary, sir, I believe we could use the transporter to deploy a photon torpedo into the center of the ship." Captain: "Do you think it will come to that?" Tactical Officer: "It may... their ship outmasses us." Helsman: "The Parexample is entering firing range." Captain: "Fire all phasers." (Preprogrammed firing sequence obliterates all turrets on the forward side of the ship." Helmsman (relating what everyone can clearly see on the view screen): "Captain, the Parexample is coming about... I believe they are trying to 'broadside' us." Tactical Officer: "Their weapons appear to rely on external turrets, each with a limited arc of fire." Captain: "We can use that against them... Helmsman?" Helmsman: "I'm attempting to match their heading... if we can keep on the same side of them as the damaged turrets, they should not be able to hit us." (Star Destroyer, realizing that its initial tactic has failed, scrambles fighters, which fire several ineffectual tracers before the first telltale shield flicker reveals a near hit.) Tactical Officer: "Shields are holding." (More fire) Tactical Officer: "Shields are holding." (More Fire) Tactical Officer: "Shields are at 99%." (One fighter accidentally clips another, which goes spiraling out of control and collides with the starship's shields. X-Wing == holds 1 person. Federation Starship == crew of hundreds. This is like a minor asteroid strike.) Tactical Officer: "Shields at 90%." Captain: "Oh, for pete's sake... photon torpedos, full spread." (Star destroyer blows up in a spectacular chain reaction.) Captain: "Broadcast on all channels... this is Captain Hypothetical. Our sensors indicate that you are all piloting short range vessels without the life support or fuel for a sustained mission, nor atmospheric capability. I hope your transmitters have a longer range than your vehicles do, because we're going to slingshot around your system's primary and head back to our century. We recommend you radio for help." | |
*looks down* It's a two-liter of vanilla coke.
Of course women watch Star Trek... and its makers know it. Why do you think TNG focused so much on interpersonal relationships and things like social conscience? Why do you think they added a ship's counsellor? Why do you think the doctor was female? And don't say to add sex appeal... Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis were no one's sex symbols until after they were Trek icons. They were there to add more for the female viewer to identify with... real, three-dimensional female characters in positions of responsibility. I'm not even that big a "trekkie." I just pick up on things quickly. My girlfriend's the big trek fan in my household, but she doesn't have my memory or attention to detail, so I often come across as the bigger geek. | |
No... Jabba the Hut. You know, that giant mass of slime that enslaved thousands of fictional creatures....
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No, no, no! I mean, Jabba the Hut.
[Edit]: Now I see what I did wrong, I wasn't thinking anyways, I'v been sick all day and just woke up from a long nap.... <<>>Kusanagi<<>> | |
Star Trek wouldn't have a chance against Outlaw Star(Might be off topic since its not Trek vs Wars), a simple prodding from a grappler ship would rip any federation ship apart. The main types of ships in Outlaw Star are grappler ships, they range from having 1-14 adamantium arms, can be ran by humans or computers. Then they have the usual photon torpedoes, lasers, sometimes blades that the grappler ship's arms can use, and sometimes charged particle rifles which range in ammunition, laser, lead, rockets, electricity discharges, and etc.... The ships were also built for maneuverability and speed while still having a decent amount of plating, which would make them far to hard to hit for any phazer since some of them have generators that allow them to break apart into the smallest pieces of matter, and then thrust themselves to different coordnates for a few milliseconds. The only way the federation would be able to stop a grappler ship is by having shields which stop large amount of physical damage, even then they could always equip a grappler hook with a caster gun(Ancient gun used by outlaws in dangerous situations, usually contains a shell with some sort of magic spell casted into it.) and simply blast the ship away since I know the federation shields don't defend against magic. Then again, the topic was on Star Trek versus Star Wars :(.
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Gughunter wrote:
Star Wars -- the thinking man's Star Trek! And if that Then you haven't read excellent ST e-books like 'Oswiecim' by Gabrielle Lawson, set in the DeepSpace 9 uninverse. Certainly worth the read, and definitely the "thinking man's" story... I have it for my Handspring Visor, and it kept me entertained for an entire trans-atlantic flight, and back... | |
Hmm... so in this "Outlaw Star", everything is ridiculously powerful for no discernible reason? I'm going to take a wild, crazy guess and say this must be an anime show.
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Actually everything is pretty balanced, caster shells cost so much that usually a person only has 10 or so in his/her lifetime. Ships arent over-powered, they just surpassed normal weaponry, the only way 1 ship could beat another ship is by having a skilled pilot/good computer system, it really wasn't something where everybody was trying to go, "Ultimate Shiney Man Hair level 88!", it was more about trying to find the ultimate treasure known as the "Galactic Layline" which granted you any wish you desired, people mostly wanted infinite money.... Considering your mass amount of research powers, or just typing in Outlaw Star into a google search box makes me doubt you took that guess, or you just saw it get advertised once.
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Balanced doesn't mean "not ridiculously powerful"... it just means that if one thing is ultra powerful, everything else has to be. And while I would bet I've heard the term "Outlaw Star" before in my life, I was guessing solely based on the information you presented. Moreover, if you had told me before that the whole thing revolved around a universal source of power that grants wishes, I wouldn't have called it a guess, I would've called it a certainty.
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Lesbian Assassin wrote:
Balanced doesn't mean "not ridiculously powerful"... it just means that if one thing is ultra powerful, everything else has to be. And while I would bet I've heard the term "Outlaw Star" before in my life, I was guessing solely based on the information you presented. Moreover, if you had told me before that the whole thing revolved around a universal source of power that grants wishes, I wouldn't have called it a guess, I would've called it a certainty. Heh. I'd like to point out that the Galactic Layline was not the driving force of the show. For most of the series you don't even know about it. It affected things, but it's not like people were constantly summoning its power. It is manipulated only in the end. Don't let the poor summary spoil the show for you. Outlaw Star is more like Cowboy Bebop than Dragonball/Z/GT... except with likable characters and a plot... Okay, maybe it's not like Cowboy Bebop. Personally, I think the Federation would have the discipline to study whatever magic there was. Then you'd be left with a grappler in a tractor beam, flailing its arms like a windmill. | |
I see your point, but later on into the show the Galactic Layline was all they were going for, maybe at the start it was about Jean Starwind becoming a space pirate, while being a bounty hunter, and his crew that consisted of a child computer genius, a ninja women bounty hunter, an alien women from a cat like race with the abbility to transform like werewolves by the full moon, and a female bio-android which was in some weird way connected with the ship which they dubbed the "Outlaw Star". You did know about it for like 1/3 of the series though(I'm going by the 3 DVD set, which was seperated by 3 DVD sets each with a large amount of the episodes, I think on the 3rd DVD set it talks a lot more about the Layline.), and nearer to the end, it became the driving force in my opinion. I don't see how you could compare it to Cowboy Bebop except for they both took place in space, and both revolved around Bounty Hunters in a way. I myself think Cowboy Bebop was much more interesting, the soundtrack was great, and the old style jazzy backgrounds for the syndicate scenes were really well made, and the entire show itself never had a disappointing moment.
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