Sep 20 2002, 9:03 am
In response to SuperSaiyanGokuX
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FuZzY DiCe
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most languages dont use worlds like "the" and the like...a sentence could just be "you go get beer now" and that makes it hard for foreign people to learn our style of english..i dont know what this has to do with anything but...yeah...
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this is funny for two reasons.
1.The sentence you used for it. 2.It sounds mean, im not sure why, but it does. And on this topic, i dont realy care, i dont use much e-slang, so i dont realy care. To me it is almost as easy to write the whole word, but thats just me. My problem comes when you hear someone talking and they say "LOL" out loud. Now thats just funny. | |
Abbreviations such as "u" and "r" represent the most innocuous chat shorthand conventions; they are shorter forms of common token words. What I'm referring to are abbreviations that condense not just larger phrases but wide ranges of possible phrases with different flow, connotation, and flavor into one standardized little package. Once someone really gets into the habit of netspeak, their language simplifies itself; if they want to express themselves, it's "IMHO"--it's never "in my eyes" or "as I see it", or even just "to me", always "IMHO." Doesn't the reduction of variety here bother you any?
Somewhat less disturbing but still insiduous is the habit of using netspeak shorthand and emoticons to make up for the nuances of face-to-face communication that are lost in pure text format--tone, facial expression, body language, etc. I have no objection to this in principle; in fact, to some extent I support it. These are vital parts of interpersonal communication which even painstakingly written text can be ambiguous if the reader's just relying on context. Unfortunately, however, it rarely seems to be put to good use; many people use such conventions in the most banal of ways, "lol"ing everything in sight. Compounding the annoyance here is that "lol" and related acronyms are pretty much completely stripped of their original meaning; if people actually spent as much time laughing out loud as they claim to do in chat, they would routinely laugh themselves into oxygen-starved unconciousness, or at least make complete fools out of themselves in public. "lol" is most people's chuckle or grin. <font size=-1> (On another note, why are so many emoticons these days anime-derived? I've got nothing against anime as an art form, but I've found very little for it, too--why fawn over anime instead of other art forms? Why do we have anime-type emoticons, but no cubist emoticons ^[% or minimalist emoticons '. or Escher emoticons :(:(:(: ?) </font> | |
Leftley wrote:
[snip] <font size=-1>(On another note, why are so many emoticons these days anime-derived? I've got nothing against anime as an art form, but I've found very little for it, too--why fawn over anime instead of other art forms? Why do we have anime-type emoticons, but no cubist emoticons ^[% or minimalist emoticons '. or Escher emoticons :(:(:(: ?)</font> Why does a style which is shown on tv everyday, giving people a common understanding in the process, rule over relative museum oddities? I'd hope you were joking, but I didn't see an emoticon. ;) | |
Why does a style which is shown on tv everyday, giving people a common understanding in the process, rule over relative museum oddities? I'd hope you were joking, but I didn't see an emoticon. ;) I had several emoticons. Apparently the Japanese influence has brainwashed another victim into being oblivious of the fact that other art forms exist, or otherwise you would have seen them quite clearly. :P | |
its not even the right word to say and haha is so much easier...saying lol is just like saying "hey guess what im lauging out loud..."
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Leftley wrote:
I had several emoticons. Apparently the Japanese influence has brainwashed another victim into being oblivious of the fact that other art forms exist, or otherwise you would have seen them quite clearly. :P Oh please. Your Escher emoticon didn't even know what mood it was in. ;) Unfortunately, Japanese influence didn't do anything. Those other art forms are dead languages. Any idiot can turn on the tube and get a quick lesson in the language of anime. As a rule of thumb, if it isn't on the tube, it isn't mainstream enough to be a common language. Anime isn't at fault. Those other art forms are lazy. ;)- | |
Unfortunately, Japanese influence didn't do anything. Those other art forms are dead languages. Any idiot can turn on the tube and get a quick lesson in the language of anime. As a rule of thumb, if it isn't on the tube, it isn't mainstream enough to be a common language. Anime isn't at fault. Those other art forms are lazy. ;)- Actually, I do believe you have it smack backwards. From what I can figure, at least part of the reason anime gets such wide fan mimicry over other contemporary art forms (I did bring up the "dead languages" almost entirely as a joke, but it's not like television has become 24/7 Japanese cartoons on every channel, unless I've woken up into a bizarre Twilight Zone episode again) because it is lazy. Or to be considerably more accurate, it largely tends towards simpler stylized forms without getting too far out of touch with recognizeable reality, thus allowing its copycats to be lazy. Not to mention the fact that it can be duplicated with reasonable accuracy using a couple of ASCII characters much, much more easily compared to more ornate art forms. Except, of course, expressionism. :) | |
Leftley wrote:
Abbreviations such as "u" and "r" represent the most innocuous chat shorthand conventions; they are shorter forms of common token words. What I'm referring to are abbreviations that condense not just larger phrases but wide ranges of possible phrases with different flow, connotation, and flavor into one standardized little package. Once someone really gets into the habit of netspeak, their language simplifies itself; if they want to express themselves, it's "IMHO"--it's never "in my eyes" or "as I see it", or even just "to me", always "IMHO." Doesn't the reduction of variety here bother you any? Actually, while I personally would rather use the broader variety of phrases to express the idea of an opinion, the simple fact remains that all of the examples used including "IMHO" are nothing more than phrases to denote that the thought expressed is an opinion... Sure, it's nice to have multiple ways to say that it's an opinion, but in essence, it all boils down to just saying "this is my opinion"...or "In My Honest Opinion"... So in effect, this is no different than changing "you" to "u"... Just making things easier to type... The same idea is expressed no matter what wording you use...even if it's just a generic abbrviation... The simplification does nothing to harm the process of expressing an idea... If the idea that the writer wants to get across gets across, then it doesn't matter what words were used... Even if they are silly, bland abbreviations... Somewhat less disturbing but still insiduous is the habit of using netspeak shorthand and emoticons to make up for the nuances of face-to-face communication that are lost in pure text format--tone, facial expression, body language, etc. I have no objection to this in principle; in fact, to some extent I support it. These are vital parts of interpersonal communication which even painstakingly written text can be ambiguous if the reader's just relying on context. Unfortunately, however, it rarely seems to be put to good use; many people use such conventions in the most banal of ways, "lol"ing everything in sight. Compounding the annoyance here is that "lol" and related acronyms are pretty much completely stripped of their original meaning; if people actually spent as much time laughing out loud as they claim to do in chat, they would routinely laugh themselves into oxygen-starved unconciousness, or at least make complete fools out of themselves in public. "lol" is most people's chuckle or grin. As one that is admittedly addicted to "lol"ing everything possible, I must agree with your analysis... I use "lol" as more of a grin or chuckle... I'd use something else if there was something lesser in established netspeak... I only use it so often because I'm trying to make sure that anything I say that is meant with anything short of seriousness isn't taken seriously... I've seen far too many arguments erupt over a simple joke that someone didn't know was a joke... So I often use "lol" to defuse any potential misunderstandings before they happen... I suppose the smiley emoticon would be more appropriate for this purpose...but the habit was formed before I knew what emoticons were...lol <font size=-1> The answer to this is quite simple: Anime is the current fad... The internet is driven by pre-teens and teenagers... Most of whom don't even know who Escher is...lol Most of whom don't care about art... Uncultured children who watch a lot of TV... The Cartoon Network has an entire 3 (maybe 4) hour block of programming that is basically all anime... Timed right as these kids are getting out of school... This block is their highest rated time of the day... So a lot of kids are watching a lot of anime... So it's only natural that they'd spill it over onto the internet... | |
