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 Feb 1 2003, 6:04 am
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As I was playing a good and yet repetetive game of Proelium, I heard a loud boom over my head. It contiuened for about 3 more minutes, when I finally looked outside, I saw a spiral of smoke, I didnt quite catch the rocket. As for the World War III Theory. Thats perposterous. Israelian people were celebrating when one of the crew made the team, and thus now in sorrow. Israel is also one of our most trusted allies. Dont freak out about this, its not nearly as bad as September 11th, but it is something to shake a stick at! Give me your thoughts and opinions on how this can possibly be a terrorist attack, remember to include some evidence. You peoples shouldent come up with silly conclutions like that, as for all I know, the shuttle hasnt even crashed yet!
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Lummox JR wrote:
I think the chances of this being terrorist-related are vanishingly small. It would require a level of organization and ability they no longer have, and I don't think such a mission was in their reach even before September 11. What do you mean a levelof organization and ability they no longer have. Have you been reading magazines and watching the news. They paid people to teach them how to be expert hackers and how do many things that could harm the American people and harm things we need such as powerplants, damns, and so on. Their knowledge and organization is unlimited | |
Lummox JR wrote:
I think the chances of this being terrorist-related are vanishingly small. There was also a vanishingly small chance that about 10 Afgahns were able to come into the the US, live here for so many years illegally, board US planes with fake passports, hi-jack the plane with nothing but box cutters, and ram them into the Twin Towers; But alas, it happend. <font color=gold>|$|->Dre<-|$| | |
DJ Clue wrote:
There was also a vanishingly small chance that about 10 Afgahns were able to come into the the US, live here for so many years illegally, board US planes with fake passports, hi-jack the plane with nothing but box cutters, and ram them into the Twin Towers; But alas, it happend. Actually that was 15 Saudis and 4 of other nationalities, but as far as I know no Afghans. Get your facts straight, and close your HTML tags. And no, that was no vanishingly small chance. Realize that the level of security at airports even before that was orders of magnitude lower than that of the shuttle program. Lummox JR | |
Strapped-Rambo wrote:
What do you mean a levelof organization and ability they no longer have. Have you been reading magazines and watching the news. They paid people to teach them how to be expert hackers and how do many things that could harm the American people and harm things we need such as powerplants, damns, and so on. Their knowledge and organization is unlimited That last statement is completely absurd; there's no such thing as unlimited knowledge and organization. There are very specific means these groups use to organize, and we know we've disrupted much of their operations. Not only is al Qaeda more cash-strapped than normal, but many of their leaders are dead as well as a significant number of their people; the threats of hundreds of sleeper cells didn't pan out. There is considerable evidence in fact that the Afghanistan operation alone did major damage to that network, and our ongoing pursuit of them has further frustrated their plans. To that add the security and attention paid to the space program and there's not really any chance of something like this happening. (As <HREF="http://www.instapundit.com">InstaPundit pointed out this morning, too, a terrorist would prefer a bomb to go off on takeoff because more people are watching then and there's a better chance of a bomb going off then than if it spends 2 weeks in space and goes through the extreme G forces of launch.) Lummox JR | |
Lummox JR wrote:
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Strapped-Rambo wrote:
Why is Bush quarreling with saddam? he believes his corrupt If you read between the lines in the tabloids, you would know that there is new oil pipeline being built that runs right through parts of Iraq, and this is one the *major* reasons Bush is doing this war nonsense - to secure the economic control of the region for the US and its 'allies'. The 'war-against-terrorism' is not much more that a 'Flag-waving' trick to gain support for starting a war. The majority of the rest of the world, including the European Union and Asian supporters, are heavily questioning the need for military action at this time. Bush has gone 'Saddam' ga-ga according to many world leaders. As I have said in the past - Bush needs a good hooker to help him unwind. Lummox scribbled: a terrorist would prefer a bomb to go off on takeoff Exactly! The stresses involved in keeping a volatile device from going BOOM requires a lot of know how and technology that are likely not available to people outside the superpowers, plus a device *that* sophisticated would be too big or noticeable (due to all the needed equipment to keep it stable) to hide on a spacecraft. | |
Strapped-Rambo wrote:
That last statement is completely absurd; there's no such thing as unlimited knowledge and organization. There are very specific means these groups use to organize, and we know we've disrupted much of their operations. Not only is al Qaeda more cash-strapped than normal, but many of their leaders are dead as well as a significant number of their people; the threats of hundreds of sleeper cells didn't pan out. "Unlimited"? NO! There are limits on any human endeavor. There is no such thing as unlimited power. Don't waste anybody's time with such a statement. The Taliban has secret connections with private citizens with almost all the countries of the east. What secrets the Taliban may have had have been mostly laid bare since we took over in Afghanistan. But at any rate, they were not the real power behind the terrorist attacks of September 11; they merely provided a home for al Qaeda. The real power behind that came not just from the terrorist network itself, but also from sponsors--entire states like Iran, Iraq, Syria, etc., but also wealthy individuals in nations such as Saudi Arabia and likely Egypt. Why is Bush quarreling with saddam? he believes his corrupt mond is a threat to teh United states and has given moeny and support to the taliban. How is taht absurd? Well at the moment, it's absurd because it's entirely beside the point. This doesn't prove anything about anyone being "unlimited", and it has nothing to do with diddly squat here, unless you leap to the bizarre conclusion that Saddam Hussein shot down a space shuttle traveling at Mach 18. The power of Al-Quaeda is limited, but only by thier allies, allies which hate the United States It's only from their allies that they draw power in the first place. Are you seriously suggesting that al Qaeda could do anything (i.e., blow up the sun, invert the moon, enslave the United States in 48 hours) unless held in check by allies? That's crazy. No, their power is definitely limited, and there are things they simply can't do. And it was limited before September 11, but it's more limited now that their network has suffered serious setbacks. There are limits on everything. You're talking nonsense, and bringing up a lot of useless asides (like Bush vs. Iraq) that add nothing to the debate. Lummox JR | |
digitalmouse wrote:
If you read between the lines in the tabloids, you would know that there is new oil pipeline being built that runs right through parts of Iraq, and this is one the *major* reasons Bush is doing this war nonsense - to secure the economic control of the region for the US and its 'allies'. The 'war-against-terrorism' is not much more that a 'Flag-waving' trick to gain support for starting a war. The majority of the rest of the world, including the European Union and Asian supporters, are heavily questioning the need for military action at this time. Bush has gone 'Saddam' ga-ga according to many world leaders. Nope, this, like the oil myth, is a canard. The pipeline going into Afghanistan is for natural gas, and it's to serve customers in Asia. As far as I know this doesn't impact our interests significantly. But we did have to go into Afghanistan to disrupt al Qaeda, which to a large degree we've done. And it can't be argued that the Afghans aren't better off for it. I really hate having to say this over and over to people, but if the US was in this only for the oil we could have had it at a lot less cost. Saddam Hussein would only be too happy to sell more of Iraq's oil, if only we'd lift sanctions and stop patrolling the no-fly zones, and generally lighten up on him. There are many other reasons to take seriously the possibility of conflict, which I needn't go into here; it's silly to overlook them, though, and harp on one thing that, while perhaps relevant to a long-term outlook, really has nothing important to do with it. What kills me here is that both sides are agreeing on something: One is saying that oil doesn't justify war, and in fact the other is saying they're right (or mostly right)--but that's not why we're preparing for a possible war, and it's absolute intellectual dishonesty to say it is. Lummox JR | |
I heard the pieces only fell in a remote area.... Where do you live? I didn't get the news right away though, I was too busy taking my HSPT test and they didn't interrupt us at all(Since when is a High School Placement Test more important than a shuttle accident?), I guess it's because they knew we would figure it out when we got the radio on in the car.... It's a tragic thing, but at least we didn't lose more people to the shuttle pieces and what not.
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There seems to be alot of these on the forums...
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Of course it's a big coincidence that this is the first time an Israeli went up on the shuttle, and he happened to be the same pilot who took out Iraq's nuclear reactor 20-odd years ago. But although that'd make the shuttle an inviting target for attack, I don't think anyone had the means.
Lummox JR